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What do you think about a last fight badr hari vs gokhan saki

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Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-03 at: 08:47
Badr hari is training very hard for this last fight. Im à fans but i think that gokhan saki is a good fight.

What is your opinion please ?

Thinks
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-03 at: 09:20
you know i m VERY surprised on Badr because its this very time he first showed signs of actually caring about his fans and its a big thing :)

I still hope, that with the revival of k-1 If that every happens he will be back in kickboxing.
And i hope really to see a great at least 2 round fight. I hope Badr gonna win i hope he resharped his technique with his hands and as Saki is a strong fighter i hope to see a great dynamical fight thats all . And i see everyone s on holidays :D
hicham (176 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-03 at: 10:11
nobody doubts that saki is a top level fighter,he's one of my favs and i wish he either him or bader didn't make that decision
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 01:38
No problem for Hari. he will turn around like a shark until R2 or R3 for giving a fatal attack.
I expect a fight like Hari-Bouzidi or Hari-Ignashov.
Hari, for his last fight, won't end it in the first round (i hope so).
But Saki isn't only a fighter, he is a big big warrior.
But the fact is i dont see him winning unless big surprise.
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 02:29
(lol)

this fight anything could happen i sorry for the badr fans but this not gonna be a easy walk over for badr hari no no that little turkish fighter saki is gonna give him A FIGHT
(saki,s own word,s) in a reacent interview ..

Saki is a real fighter warrior what ever you wanna call him i know one thing for sure he is gonna be motivated like we have never seen before ..
of course the same counts for badr im not a badr fan but ill give badr a slight advantge because he is taller bigger so he goth more reach and like we al know
if you look at k1 history saki and manhoef always came a little short at the end
its just looks like they are a little to small for Hw ..but you never know
the bigger they are the harder they fall (lol)

Im of course hoping that saki wins by ko but i think that badr got more chance to win
because he is just to tall and he can play this fight out if he is pattient
wait untill saki is tired and than come like a raging bull like he always dus ..

But if he starts to go wild from round one saki could easly ko him on his not so tuff chin

Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 03:04
Lol rishi
I thinks that badr hari is not only a big warrior is an extraordinary warrior.
so gokhan saki is a very good fighter but i dont thnink that badr hari ended his cariier like that.

PS : I took my ticket for this fight.....
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 03:12
Come on
Hari will win only cos he 's taller ?
No comment...
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 04:47
@paulallen Duhh NOT JUST BECAUSE HE IS TALLER

But him having more reach is a Advantge he could keep saki on a distance and wait for the rigth moment .But like i said if saki lands a nice shot on badr,s chin it could be all over

if you look at saki fights he can win from everybody but the fights he lost where against fighters taller than him with more reach
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 07:34
I give the fight 65 - 35 % in favor of Hari.
And I agree with Rishi that the reach-advantage is very important. I have great respect for Saki, but I just don't see him win over guys like Hari, Schilt, Bonjasky.
But I still give him 35% because he is a warrior, and can always surprise with a beautiful hook to the chin of Hari .... I know I would jump out of my chair!
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 08:31
it would be VERYYYYYYY uncool for Badr to lose this fight and a huge LOLLLL :D
But no i dont think he will lose not because of reach or height but because he is also a true fighting warrior who i really hope wont go out of line ..
... (736 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-04 at: 08:34
for the dutch fans-- 14 januari at 13:00 hew gives an open training, this will be the first and the last. so if you wanna be there, its free!!!!
Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-05 at: 08:48
Badr hari gives an open training ?
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-05 at: 11:41
cool
@Fansofbadrhari Yes.
Here is the official press-release from It's Showtime:
January 2, 2012 -

The first, and last, public workout of Badr Hari will take place on January 14 in Mike's Gym, Skoon 21 in Oostzaan, The Netherlands.

This unique public workout is not only accessible to the press, but for everyone, and for free. Everyone who has always wanted to see how Badr prepares himself for his January 28 fight against Gökhan Saki can now grab his chance!

Besides the different training techniques there will also be some ferocious sparring matches. There will also be an opportunity for autographs and photos.

The public workout will start on January 14 at 13h00. Press can register by sending an email to info@europeanfightingnetwork.nl. For fans, there is no need to register.

There are only approximately 900 tickets left for the IT'S SHOWTIME event on January 28. The VIP tables are completely sold out.
samout (261 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-06 at: 03:08
its very clear badr wanna do the same thing of remy he wanna kill saki without doubt let s be honnet badr is so much strong than saki and have so muche power in his punche and very quick like saki an teller than saki an more technical than saki i have no doubt saki will be ko in the 1 round
Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-06 at: 07:24
Thank you d-rop but i cant go yo training. I live in french to 1200km of hollande. I see badr hari in 28 mai when i fight against hesdy.
Ghetto
Commando
(39 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-07 at: 08:34
i hope badr will fight like a good sportsman, no crazy stuff like when he fought bonjasky and hesdy
Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-09 at: 12:36
Badr hari win bu ko in à first round !!! Im sûre
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-10 at: 11:58
I also think so
I hope that he forgot this story of FIAT and FERRARI
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-11 at: 01:00
he is not gonna do anything stupid because its his last fight ...

and i sure hope he dus not try cus damn .(don,t wanna sound racist )
but that arena is gonna be packed with thousands of marrocan and dutch and turkish
and al kinds of motor club fight fans and such so please let it all go down like its supposed to go down ..

mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-11 at: 08:26
Haha motorclub fight fans
doest it exist really ?
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-11 at: 10:28
@Rishi Haha you make it sound like the ArenA is gonna explode when it goes bad :P
Btw there is nothing racist about saying there are gonna be a lot of different cultures at an event, so don't worry :)

I thought the police banned the Hell's Angels from those events after the alligations last year.
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-11 at: 02:20
@rob
as for as police banning the angels from those event,s yes they did ..(dus not mean they are not there lol )And hell yeah the arena could explode (lol) thousands and thousands of badr and saki fans wanting to see badr fight on more time wanting to see saki kick badr ass to boxing

Just keep that in the back of your mind ...than you imagine saki coming out explosive in round 1 .. round 2 starts (badr hari ) kicks saki in the face while he is down on the ground ...And the reff calls it a disqalification after one round of fighting

Also tickets are 125 euro,s i could imagine people going all wild if sumthing like a disq happends because of badr not being able to behave him self ..

But lets be posetive thats not gonna happen (but it could)

@mehdiman
Yeah there are when i first went to a big free-fight kickbox event in rotterdam
with gilbert yvel bob schreiber ectra on the card (years years ago)
i was amazed i saw dutch fight fans i saw hells angels motor club bandito,s motor club : turkish fight fans marracon fight fans surinam fight fans ..ectra
the thing they had in common was they where all shouting ehhh ohhhhhh
by every lowkick a fighter threw i never saw any violence execept for in the ring

So to me it dus not matter if ther are Hells Angels there i never ever had any problems with them ..i just think now are days the police and such just dont want that kind of inviroment there


stark (1099 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-11 at: 06:10
Don't forget that Saki was kicking Alistar's ass with only one hand. He also won against Ghita who is lo taller than him. I know Ghita isn't Hari, but ghita doesn't have glass jaw like Hari
Bottom line is, anything can happen. I give advantage to Hari, but it won't surprise me if Saki wins it
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-13 at: 12:35
the very best fight you can watch! i give 80/20 in favor of hari, IMO the length will make the difference just as happened to bard against semmy in 2009.
Stuttgart (43 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-14 at: 01:24
It´s the first time I disagree with nearly all of you.

D-rop gives Saki 35%(that´s realistic), the rest of you count Saki out;- that´s ridiculous.

- Saki looked great against Moenhof, Ghita and Overeem.
- We are talking about K1 not KlitschkoBoxing some amateur.
- 2 great Warriors will get it on, so anything can happen;

I give Saki 40%.
And Hari is not known for always handling the pressure...
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-14 at: 11:27
Saki KO in R 2
this is realistic
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-14 at: 02:58
i dont know if Badr takes this fight seriously.. i just saw his open training which was pretty lame.. i hope they make a good fight and i hope Saki can cause some surprise for him. I think he has the capacity to do.. he won also Brice Guidon hehe
Saki should not be undermined for his qualities. Its DISGUSTING how Overeem rallies around that he won over Saki btw.
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-14 at: 06:51
@szanpan The open work out was lame ?

What was lame about it i did not see it so im curios did he look out of shape
or the training it self was disapointing?

do you know if there where any video clips made of the work out and if you can watch them somewhere ?
Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-15 at: 12:38
szanpan : Why you say that ?
You saw the open work in thrue or only the clip video ?
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-16 at: 02:16
we read a lot of things, but this is whats gonna happen:
round one knock out for badr hari.

I hope to see 2 rounds, but thats not gonna happen. Badr is too focussed for that.
I think KO on either body punch or punch to the head.

probably on Saki' s body, mid section or legs.

Ok remember what I wrote, and after the game remember how genius I am and tell me Im smart ok? thnx bro
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-16 at: 06:05
@fansofbadrhari yup i saw the blurred version.. i will be glad to watch the better quality video too. And i hope its gonna be a fight longer than one round :)
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-16 at: 02:37
tease
@K1Fan Haha 'sharp' prediction, so you predict a KO on either the head..or the body..or the legs? :P
Well at least you narrowed it down to all the legal spots ;-)
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-16 at: 03:59
laughing
@Rob LOL .... he really is a genius.
conan81 (289 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 07:39
laughing
k1fan,u made my day bro
... (736 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 08:48
@Rob haha
Bård
Rasmussen
(539 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 01:41
I am going out on a limb here and be rooting for my favourite, so I say Saki takes this. He is a very smart fighter and is going to frustrate Hari to no end... Low kick, run, low kick, punch, clinch, run. Hari is going to get mad like he does, loose his temper, and then, BOOM, Hari gets DQed, again.... Saki gets stomped while down but survives to win another day...... I get to be on the moral pedestal, Hurray!
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 02:39
@Bård Rasmussen lets hope badr WILL not lose his temper cus that would be shitty specially in his last kick-box fight..
People wanna see a Badr who wins by ko not loses by dq ...

i rather see him going KO than losing his temper again ...him losing his temper
would be a shitty start to a boxing carreer specially if the king of marrocco is
counting in him ..he wil have to learn how to behave him self .and control his temper.

cus i read a article about him wanting to box in the olympics to for marrocco
the king is not gonna let him ashame him ..

K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 09:03
Hahah

Well Im realistic, it might be to the head.

Thats also possible and I cant predict what I cant predict. What Im saying is that it will probably be a punch to the body and that it will be a 1 round fight.

I would love to see 3 rounds, but unfortuanely thats something thats not gonna happen.

Saki is talented. Badr is more talented.
Saki is big. Badr is bigger
Saki is experienced. Badr is more experienced
Saki is strong. Badr is much stronger.
Saki is fast. Badr is faster.
Saki is technical. Badr is more technical.

But the thing that will make Saki suffer a body ko will be badr's speed and power.

Explanation:
Badr will play safe and go for teh clear shots, like he always does in these kind of fights. And because a clear shot usually is a body shot and because Badr is so much stronger (keep in mind Saki never took hard long punishment) Saki will most likely go down first round.

So after the game, reply to this thread and tell me Im a genius ok? Remember I won both prediction contests and still have the gloves from Sweden HAHAH :D. By the way, I gave the gloves to a friend who uses them, personally Im not that aggressive :P

thnx bro
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 10:03
@Rishi yes you know it right but all these about Badr and the king. Badr and the Olympics were actually before his second DQ. Its for sure that he wont be in the Moroccan Olympic team now ( unfortunately) as for the king of Morocco i have no idea :)
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 10:03
and good to see some " old " faces back really :)
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-17 at: 11:04
I think Saki is a bit faster than Hari due to his size and slighty more technical. Since Hari tends to go for those haymaker frenzies instead of keeping it tight and crisp. But hey, let's face it, these two are perhaps the finest K1 has to over right now.
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 12:49
If your predictions were betting odds I`ll take it!!!:P
It is really 50/50 fight...
I am picking Saki by decision...
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 10:23
dry
@K1Fan: GENIUS!
But maybe your memory plays tricks with your imaculate brain ... you won both prediction contests???
You didn't participate in 2008
You won in 2009 (Great!).
But in 2010 you were #19 of 32. Not the works of a real genius ...

Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 12:08
@K1Fan Badr more tchnical than saki ???

I dont think So SAKI IS THE TECHNICAL PUCNHER HE IS FAST AND EXPLOSIVE
maybe thats why people think he is a power puncher ..

But really he Got Super technique and he Is BOTH TECHNICAL But ALSO A KO ARTIST
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 01:04
glad
Well i think there will be lot of disapointment after the fight. Especially some who underestimate Hari. If this last take seriously this fight, Saki will be off in three minutes.
stark (1099 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 02:23
@D-rop Dude I won in 2009. I have a shirt to prove it :)
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 03:00
@stark He (K1Fan/Nabil) won the FansOfK1 team competition 2009. http://www.fansofk1.com/article?aID=2926&Ca tegory=1
If I am not mistaken, you (stark) won the T-shirt competition.
stark (1099 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 07:45
@D-rop O, I forgot about that competition. My bad
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 08:05
wink
@stark I don't remember either .... Was it a 'Wet T-shirt' competition???? Where are the photos?
stark (1099 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-18 at: 08:37
@D-rop Haha
If it was wet t-shirt competition I would end up last :)
It was to predict outcome of the final tournament, and prize was signed t-shirt which Daniel got on rumble of the kings. You have picture of it in my photo galery
Kim, Editor (1546 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-19 at: 01:14
@stark lol

Ok. I put Saki as the winner with the motivation that I really think that he can do it. Saki has surprised me many times before and I hope he will do it again. Cheers!
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-19 at: 09:26
Responses:

I mean another contest which I also won. I still have the Semmy Schilt autograph here. But I dont care bout tht really, was more of a joke.

The reality is Saki was never able to beat Hari. And the difference between them is only getting bigger every year.

Saki is extremely good at close fighting and knowing when to hit and when not (like Hoost), but his overall fight strategy is weak. Fighters like Overeem Bonjasky nd Badr excell at strategy. With strategy I mean how to implement ur game on ur opponent.

Hari might lose 1 out of 10 games vs Saki, under the circumstances that Hari didnt train at all, was very unfocussed and felt very ill.
This is Badrs last fight, he will be very focussed. So its kinda a certain win for Badr. He will defend extremely well, and hit well places punches like usually in these fights.

Its GG (good game) before the bell rings bro.

Anyway, after the fight make sure u dont forget to reply to this thread and say I was right ok ?

thnx
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-19 at: 09:40
@ Derop " But in 2010 you were #19 of 32. Not the works of a real genius"

Hater because u finished third and I was first?
http://www.fansofk1.com/article?aID=2926&Ca tegory=1

np bro I still respect u
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-19 at: 10:54
@K1Fan Instead of bragging, let's talk FACTS:

1.Badr didn't bring anything new to K-1 (KOs and bad-boy attitude existed before him, and kickboxing and this planet itself if you can imagine that) On contrary, he contributed to the fall of K-1 with his unprofessional behavior.
2.Badr's name will never stand along with the names of K-1 legends.
3.Badr couldn't have beaten Bonjasky even if Remy was 45, fat and blind to one eye.
4.Badr isn't brave enough to go to MMA, but is stupid enough to go to pro boxing.

That's it for facts, now my predictions:

a)Badr will retire at Bethleem Royal when he is done with his boxing "career", for he is so keen on hanging out with royalty.
b)He will end up as a doorman at some whorehouse.
*mark the correct one (I will take either as correct)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlem_Royal_ Hospital
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-19 at: 11:08
Double post duh....concerning competitions.

Badr will be the wiener of the "wet panties competition" on 28th. Or maybe something even more "aromatic"!

lapsus intentionis
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-20 at: 07:12
Sorry I wont reply to this. Its not only very dumb, but its also disrespectful. so I leave those words to you.
conan81 (289 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-20 at: 08:10
i have to say +1 to mitko
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-21 at: 08:26
Ahright because u also reply let me educate you. A fact is something that can be proved. " The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability"
http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

1 Badr brought nothing knew to K1? Wrong statement, in fact. facts prove the opposite. New fans, new fights etc.
2. Badr's name will never stand along k1 legends. Cant be proven. Fighters like Crocop are also legends and didnt fought a long time. already 2 times no facts...
3. Badr could not have beaten Bonjasky even if Bonjasky was 45 years old. Again no fact, its a hypothese that cant be proven. But I can tell u that every logically thinking person know that Badr can easily win from a Bonjasky who s 45 years old.
4. u talk about him being not brave and stupid. Howeer, If u decide to not go somewhere it doesnt mean you are afraid or not brave. Several other factors can play a role in ur decision making. Thats why your so called ' fact' is completely wrong. A fact is something that can be proved, but you cant prove he s not brave enough to enter mma or that he is stupid enough to join boxin.

In not even 1 point did u show 1 fact.... And if you would call them predictions you are so naive as an 8 year old boy. Well done bro.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-21 at: 09:51
@K1Fan Go go fanboy!!!

The fact that Badr has not and never will win a WGP is the only fact that you need to know and learn to live with.

To Saki he will lose anyhow - either by KO, TKO, DEC, DQ - you name it.
hicham (176 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-21 at: 10:43
Badr Hari is gonna kick ass.no doubt
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-22 at: 09:22
im not really sure about his pro boxing career.. but anyways we dont get much news from Badr nowadays. He would be in the same camp as Amir Khan and Amir Khan was badly dissed just the last time he fought with that 2 point "sudden" deductions and other strange stuff going on during the fight...is no secret what goes on in the boxing game.. i do still think it would take him too many years to get to the boxing elite. and there are other factors too. K-1 PLEASE DO SOMETHING THERE ARE STILL SOME WHO DID NOT ENTIRELY LOSE HOPE IN YOU
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-23 at: 10:31
Mitko J. you are the reason why some people wanna shut down fightingsports events. IQ of a shrimp
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-23 at: 09:59
saywhat
Hmm..let's stay on-topic shall we? Or at least discuss this in a mature way..
Bård
Rasmussen
(539 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-24 at: 03:51
Yeah, no name calling please. We are _fansofK-1_, not Sherdog or the commentary field on you tube. Respect people
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-24 at: 05:03
@K1Fan Hi amoeba (lowest of life forms or lowlife), nice to meet you.

As I have many times before (2007, 2008, 2009 wgp), I will prove you fanboys wrong again.

If you can't keep up with the sarcasms, don't start (Hari might lose 1 out of 10 games vs Saki, under the circumstances that Hari didnt train at all, was very unfocussed and felt very ill)

You maybe right about one thing though - that he has always fought when ill. How can he not when he was born in that state (psychological problems are also illnesses).

If the only way to communicate when challenged is by insults, then it's a sign of low self-esteem and intelligence.

Keep up the good work "predicting" fanboy.
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-24 at: 06:56
All of this drama for a fight thats gonna last 1 max 2 rounds no mather who wins ..
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-24 at: 07:37
tease
Mitko, you forgot one essential thing
Hari is the greatest ... coward of K1. Haha.
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 12:49
@Mitko

I wont reply to any of ur comments/threads anymore. Its just sad that u cant have a normal discussion. You only throw around insults and useless "facts" with the sole purpose to insult. Np bro. but I wont reply anymore.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 08:17
I m with Mitko here because I m not at all sure if K1Fan is really a fan of Badr or just want anyone to bet on him while he bet on Saki LOL it would not be a lone case right K1Fan? :)

I like when Mitko is shining because noone can keep up with him LOL
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 01:20
We should make a Battle threath (lol)

i dont even know what started all of this name calling and insulting
i geuss one is a badr fan and the other just want,s to see good fights ..

A little more seriuoss sumthing i just saw on the news that the mayor of leeuwarden
said i have NO problem with the its showtime event comming this week
i dont see a reason to stop it from happening ..

BUT HE DID CHANGE THE RULES FOR NEXT YEAR HE MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET A LICENCE ..

He SAID it looks like our rules ar different from those in amsterdam thats why they where able to get a licence ...WE CHANGED THE RULES NOW FOR NEX YEAR !!!


@k1Fan

im not starting a batlle with you (lol)
But WTF ???
But Saki is talented. Badr is more talented. (what makes you say that)
Saki is big. Badr is bigger ( yes you are right about that one)
Saki is experienced. Badr is more experienced ( To be exact saki has 3 fights more )
Saki is strong. Badr is much stronger.(could be right)
Saki is fast. Badr is faster. I THINK THEY HAVE THE SAME SPEED PRETTY SURE OF IT
(badr just uses his speed more agressive
Saki is technical. Badr is more technical.? (badr more technical I DONT THINK SO)
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 03:49
dry
Some comments here are presented as the product of long reflexion. It are for me downright stupid : why of long comments to conclude simply that
Hari is invalid as fighter
Hari has no technical talent, without punch, without victory... Oh yes, Hari sucks, no skills,
What that is against any reality (2 titles in K1, yes, in HW and superHW, and lot in Muay
Thai )...
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 04:43
@Mitko J. There is lowest than it :
an ectoplasm
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 05:50
@paulallen Not a valid info; it's an abstract concept, meaning aura, or gauze-like substance that all living beings excrete - a concept not accepted by science.

BTW I have come to like Badr since the 2009 WGP where he acted like a sportsman should, I just don't like the attitude of some fanboys, and I'm not the kind of person who can observe mutely, so that's my reaction.

Szanpan, my utmost gratitude to you.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 07:58
@Rishi dont fall for K1fan he's a real provocateur its absolutely not sure whether he really thinks what he writes or not :)
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 07:59
@Mitko thanks man i really love when you are shining noone can fade you :D
I dont belive K1Fan i know how he is he just does it for the reaction :) thats the name of the game :)
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 08:26
gokhan saki will do the chicken dance in round one, just like his team-mates alistair , zimmerman and seamy schilt.
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 08:40
@szanpan I think you re misunterstand K1fan
Lot of members here will be disapointed when Hari will koed Saki without big difficulties
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 09:02
@mitko
You re right. Hari will loose against Saki as you were predicting last year Ben Edwards' win vs overeem
In that way, your predictions are absolutely...
Hope you ll not loose your money by beting on Saki
@K1fan,
You are the lucid and objective only one here.
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-25 at: 10:16
@Paulallen
thank you and I agree with u 2.

I dont know why 2 guys are thinking Im just saying non sense and supporting Mitko when he is saying Badr brought nothing new to K1 and is not brave enough to join MMA... real? I have a contrary opinion, since I think badr is the fighter that changed K1 the most since 2006 and especially after the 2007 fight vs Karaev (ko after 8 sec count).

Anyway, Ill respond to Rishi

Saki vs Badr;

Talent: I believe Badr got much more talent, because his training improves him faster than Saki. So what Im trying to say is that Badr naturally got more potential to fight. An example to make it more clear what I try to say. When person A and person B both got no training, same phsyical condition and will work out at the same gym for 500 hours. person A and B will both follow the same training schedule. When A wins over B, its most likely that A got more talent for the sport.
So back to the fighters, I think Badr got more talent, because he always grew faster than Saki - even before they started K1. (guys i dont wanna say Saki is not talented, because Saki IS extremely talented, Badr is just more talented)

Size: We all agree Badr is bigger. We can see this on pictures and videos. Badr is also taller and has longer reach.

Experience: under K1 rules Saki got 2 more fights than Badr. So in that sense Saki got more K1 experience. However 2 points. 1 Hari fought the top 10 fighters a lot more. 2. Hari fought more fights before K1, and won many big tournaments in Muay Thai. So in my opnion Badr is more talented, because I feel the type of situations one encounters is sometimes more important than the quantity of situations one experiences.

Speed and strength: They both seem to be equally fast. But because Hari is taller his punches travel a further distance, meaning he must be faster in order to perform the same technique ( Just like that Schilt seems slow, but his jab was too fast for Sefo Badr and Aerts).
More importantly, I think Badr can punch harder. For this I wanna use the fights vs Karaev as example. When Saki fought Karaev it was much harder for him to score a down. h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wct7cz-u0Oc
W hen Badr fought him the fight was over in 1 min h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXWbhJWfpY
N ote that the fight was 1 year later, so its not the best example. But I believe that Hari is more talented, so 1 year time means even a bigger difference.

Technique: For me this point got most debate. Its hard to say, its got to do with whats ur defenition of technique. I believe Saki got more techniques, and Badr got less but better techniques.
It depends. I think its the same like comparing muay thai with capoeira. Capoeira got more kick techniques. but in an actual fight its less effective than the strong short muay thai kick techniques. So Saki can throw punches from far more angles, but Badr got a much better overhand right and a str8 left jab.

For these reasons and several other reasons I didnt mention, I think Badr will have an easy win.

again guys, Im not trying to insult anyone and Im not trying to say Saki is a bad fighter. Im just making a prediction.
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 01:00
Can i add something ?
Listen to one of greatest dutch kickboxincoach ( and may be in the world), Tom Harinck ; " Hari has more talent than Aerts and Cikatic"
If Aerts's trainer said that... No more discussion.
Rishi (1280 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 03:12
@K1Fan im sorry i cant agree with you i dont think you can say badr is more talented
i mean come on man .( i do beliefe badr is the one who wasted a lott of his tallent)

But we can debate this for ever whats the use every body goth theire own opinion..

we wil see this weekend who wil walk away with victory ..me is just wanna see a good fight ..i like saki a litte more than badr simply cus he is a small guy compared to the rest of the hw ..i like it when small guys fight like they are big

and b.t.w SAKI is in my opinion way more technical and all round
Badr is just more powerfull because of his size advantge




xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 04:00
@paulallen: You´re right - Harinck was good for Hari. But why didn´t he stayed along with him - to his outer physically form he then would have gotten the right inner attitude. Not every fighter is so dependent on a proper (mental) trainer - but Hari does...
Reminds me a little bit to the in germany famous boxing Marco Huck (Ex-Kickboxer) who is really entertaining to watch because his fights are full of action. But without his trainer Ulli Wegner - who limits his temperamental, he´s not even worth the half in the ring...
davcol (311 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 07:57
saki been more active, also in the form of his life, he can do this by decision.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 10:26
@paulallen no i dont misunderstand K1Fan i was just here when he was firing everyone up sum yrs ago to bet on Hari vs. Schilt when in the same time he was betting on Schilt :)

There is no bigger fan of Badr than i am there are just some 2faced stuff i dont trust on.
In a fight anything can happen. We can analyse and overanalyse to gain attention but anything can happen as we could see in many examples. Again i expect a great fight and i dont think it will last only one round.
... (736 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-26 at: 11:03
@sam haha they chicken dance, lol. haha i dont know why they al do that at GG haha, a chakuriki fighter for axample will never doo that.

but no. Saki wont dance like the chickens. He is a true warrior samurai gladiator.

and GUYS (hari an saki ar both of the same talent and level. only hari is bigger and stronger , and saki is faster and more technical. thats it, nothing more.)
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-27 at: 01:00
wink
@Hosinsul

Haha,Mirsad Hukic(AKA Marco Huck), is good enough of comparision...

@K1Fan

To me discussion who is a better fighter, when a fight is but a few days away is pointless.But I would like you to stay here with us more often, even if Hari loses...
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-27 at: 06:10
@torazulu: Mirsad Hukic = Marco Huck??? Really? That´s truly great and masterfull :-D
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-27 at: 09:28
@Hosinsul
Yeah its pretty sad. In an interview he said it was a financial decision. I still think its prety said though, they had a very strong connection. And in some ways Harick made him who he was. The trainer always motivated him when Hari was younger and more reckless than he is now.

@tora
To me the best part of this game is seeing a figh after Ive analysed the fighters 100 times. As you can see on my profile Im attracted to the tension coming up to an event. So yes, I do think a discussion is useful. Unfortunately, some people respond by insulting 1 of the fighters while not trying to make any sense. I feel thats pretty sad.

@Szanpan
You brought this point up more than 3 times now, when I explained you the reasoning behind my pickings. Last time: I bet on Schilt because I felt he would have the most save wins that year. He was on a winning spree and a lot of people wanted to fight him. BAdr on the other hand was in Morocco refinding himself, and because of his super aggressive style (round 1 KO) I felt like he could get kO'd a couple times that year. At the same time I was rooting for Badr to win the final match vs schilt.
As you can clearly see I was not contradicting myself, because the contest was about 1 year, and not 1 tournament.

@Ronaldo and Davcol
We will see about that. I hope to see 2 rounds, but again, in my view Saki is DOWN the first round.
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 02:38
@Hosinsul

My bad. It is Muamer Hukic not Mirsad.:D Met the guy some years back in Germany...
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 02:52
@K1Fan

I am like that also, however after Hari lost that year, you somehow stopped posting.
I could never tie my love to the sport for just one fighter, and his ups and downs.
There are a lot of fighters that I like to watch (Badr included and then some ) , and some of the guys that are my favorite, just in that fight or overall (like, in MMA fight I will always cheer for a K1 fighter like Mirko, Hunt, or Alistair), or for Hunt regardless of the fight he is in (he is THE MAN :P), but if he loses with the nice KO, well it was a nice KO.
Moving on, lets see another fight.
Meaning that, if Saki KO`s him, I would like you to hang around with us regardless...
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 05:27
@Toru
First of all, thank you for wanting me to hang out with u on the forum, regardless of what happens. Nice of u.
As for ur question whether I will post after Badr loses: I guess we will never find out, since Badr will win on first round KO. ;)
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 08:13
I can only connect me to that - different personalitys and perspectives enrich this forum and makes it more colorfull - also make it what it is, and that´s great!!! That is the reason why I´m looking over here regularly - the common passion for this sport and the (interesting) different opinions about that : )
(And i´m not a huge Hari fan ; )
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 08:28
The ancient Greeks also have been talked contrary!!!
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 02:36
hahah :) u are cool guy. We will enjoy tonight at the same time
hicham (176 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 09:43
K1fan is a geniusssss hhhhhhhhhhh
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 09:45
Bravo for Badr! Gokhan was too impressed and stiff.
hicham (176 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 09:45
maaan THE GOLDEN BOY BADR HARIIIIII by TKO in the first round
Kim, Editor (1546 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 09:47
happy
@hicham lol
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-28 at: 09:59
In my opinion from the first time they met at the staredown this fight was clear - but why? Whre was the irrepressible fight to will at Sakis side? Respect to Hari - this man was and is a brand...now one of the old guard - athletic and toned down to the last yearn. I miss this form a little bit with the new ones. But really good fights from Ghita (real sportsman) and Robin. Unfortunately I have not seen the battle of spong...
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 08:22
Why did only one person tell me I was right?

ok let me remind u:
"saki been more active, also in the form of his life, he can do this by decision" by Davcol
"To Saki he will lose anyhow - either by KO, TKO, DEC, DQ - you name it." By Mitko
"It is really 50/50 fight...
I am picking Saki by decision..."
"Ok. I put Saki as the winner with the motivation that I really think that he can do it. Saki has surprised me many times before and I hope he will do it again. " Kim
....

Ok what did I say? :
"I would love to see 3 rounds, but unfortuanely thats something thats not gonna happen. "
"@Ronaldo and Davcol
We will see about that. I hope to see 2 rounds, but again, in my view Saki is DOWN the first round."
"Anyway, after the fight make sure u dont forget to reply to this thread and say I was right ok ?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5XGM j-bVDU&feature=related

Now u guys can also see Badr is faster than Saki. Though in kicks they are equally fast. But in the hands BAdr is much faster, better defense, better offense, and faster in responding and initiating. Its got to do with size difference. When u see a bigger guy move it looks slower. Schilt kicks and jabs are also SUPER FAST, but he looks sloppy and slow. Though the top fighters cant evade them.

Sorry for trying to make it more than what it is, but everybody dies but not everybody lives. ;)
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 10:12
@K1Fan Why did only one person told you that you were right? ..Need a hug?? ;)

Haha have a big old glass of calm-down juice. Predicting a Badr Hari fight with a first round knockout is not rocketscience. I'm happy for you, really am, but please stop asking for attention haha
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 10:14
@K1Fan It's always easier to go with the (a lot) bigger guy, but it takes guts to take the side of the underdog.

There was something very wrong with Saki last night. He performed better against Overeem with one arm than he did vs Hari with both. He fought his third round against Ghita with one arm and still won. That was what I based my opinion on, but it's sport and anything can happen.

All I can say is that Saki lost psychologically, and had wrong tactics.

On the contrary, Badr was very sharp and knew exactly what needed to be done.
D-rop, Video editor (2405 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 10:38
dry
Why did not one person tell me I was right??

I think 70/80% of the people here thought that Hari would win. But we need to post a comment to say that K1Fan is a genius .... pfff

Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 10:48
@D-rop Maybe when it comes to gambling, but no gambler has ever made a living out of it, so there's no such thing.
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 11:31
@Mitko J.
My point exactly.I was wery impressed with Saki`s performance against Ghita and Overeem, and I expected a lot more.
However Badr outclassed him, and looked very good.
He won fair and square and acted sportsmanlike, so it was just another good fight to watch.
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 12:27
AHha Mitko, come on man. ther is no way Badr would ever lose that fight. u are giving poor excusez.

I noticed that before this game several people were saying I was wrong and that Saki has a significant chance of winning. and now after Im proven right, it was all very obvious and also I didnt had the guts to pick the underdog...

Reality: Saki on his best would lose from Hari on 50%.

so thnx for the love (K)
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 04:38
LOL it s not rocketscience ! Haha
But K1fan is right ; where are all the extra-lucids who gave (largely) Saki victorious ? Who explained saki's techniques > than hari's ; hari is only taller and bla bla bla.
Where are they ?
But no importance. This event was awesome and it s a total success for IShowtime. Even the red suit of this " Dutch Bruce buffer" looks nice...
dutchrebel (57 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 04:53
@paulallen LOL
Red suit
That s first price for all Saki's win predictors.
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 05:38
I was asking myself ; Saki is 1m82 for 106 kg ! Is it too much, even in HW class ?
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-29 at: 05:54
Yes. Thought same thing yesterday by watching Saki.
conan81 (289 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 01:19
saki was soo stiff and focused way too much.but this doesnt make hari's winning less impressive.he knocked saki down 3 times in first round and theres nothing to say but congratulations.
and he was so down to earth and mature.i wish he had this behaviour from the beginning of his career.so he could have a different(and waaay better) fan base that who knows things a lot about this sport.not just fanboys.
but i would like to see them fight again when saki is the saki that we r used to.hari retires but u never know.
and k1fan,pls stop acting like an attention hungry cheerleader.
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 11:00
@ronaldo i told you saki is doing the chicken dance in round one, he tried his best but it wasn't enough, now i´m sure that the only guy who can maybe stop bard was SEMMY, the event was in general very good and my favorite fight was ghita vs hesdy. great ko.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 12:04
@sam Maybe stop him?? He stopped him pretty good last time ;)
Would have been cool to see them fight one more time though. Too bad Bonjasky's eye injury stopped him from getting back with him one more time.
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 01:12
@Rob that was more than two years ago, schilt is 38 now, plus bard ´s style is developed, that´s why i said "maybe", but hey : that´s the only fight where predicting the winner is almost impossible.
Fansofbadrhari (61 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 08:09
Oh fans of K-1 , we can say all we want but badr hari is an spectacular fighter in thé world. He is more strengh of other fighter.

Saki is an very good fighter... For sûre.

Thanks
Kim, Editor (1546 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 08:18
@Fansofbadrhari Agree. Badr was sparkling and no one missed it ;)
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 09:55
Badr is the best i hope he returns with K-1 !!!!!!!!!
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-30 at: 10:38
and the thing is that K1Fan IS an attention hungry cheerleader LOL . There were many before you saying there will be KO in the first round including Badr himself :)

@Mitko J. you are right there was something wrong with Gokhan dont know WHAT!!! From the start when he DID THE CHICKEN DANCE TOO!!! it seemed something not ok with the guy and his whole strategy was kinda non existent but Badr was great and as D-rop says Badr is always gentle when he wins LOL :D i m sorry he leave this sport but i hope he will be back with K-1 in a positive way... or makes a worldwide career in boxing... ? we will see :)
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-31 at: 06:45
Again personal attacks..

You are both so wrong. Saki did the max what he can do. He did nothing wrong. He was simply outclassed in every aspect, sad u cant accept, acknowledge or perceive the obvious reality.

Ill speak u guys later at next K1 event, where I will most likely predict the fights accurately once again. With people before the fight saying Im wrong in many things I say, and after the fight saying nothing or giving bad excusez why I was partly right.

Life continues.
paulallen (342 posts)
Posted: 2012-01-31 at: 11:18
@szanpan Wrong, it s fake saying Saki hasnt any strategy !
Do you really think that ? Do you really think his GGG's preparation and training was empty with no any gameplan ?
It s obvious that Saki choose pressure on Hari ( he s ready for MMA with his takedown). He wasnt attempting for contre-attack, he attacks straight away but that doesnt works . That s the difference. I think he wanted to set a Gerges's gameplan ; pressure and pressure again. But Hari controlled all Saki's moves and landed his punches at right moments.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2012-02-01 at: 09:32
@paulallen of course everyone or almost everyone goes out there with a gameplan but the question is how much of it they will use in the ring. But he fought bravely and stood up several times which shows great heart so no loss of respect for Gokhan absolutely.
K1Fan (846 posts)
Posted: 2012-02-04 at: 04:13
" the question os how much they will use it"
exactly. Saki had a gameplan, pressure Hari knock him out in second round. The problem is, Hari is mUCHHHHHH stronger better faster bigger, so it doesnt mattter what Saki does. His gameplan cant get executed.

Just like when Badr fought Ignashov. Everyone was saying, Iggy did a bad job strategically speaking. But the truth is, he did the max what he can do. Hari is just so good at creating the fight, that it doesnt matter. he is the boss in control baby YEAH
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