Challenging the new champ. What are your predictions for 2011 now...

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xyz (306 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 12:07

Ok, most of the people was expectingt this. The question is: Will the crown be held in K1´s own arms soon.Thinking of Gerges and Hari...and the new strenghtening Spong and Saki or a comeback of the Hightower Semmy. So what do you expect from 2011?

asfranco88 (346 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 02:55

Spong, for example, until round 2 KO, was winning the fight against Overeem. There are a lot of fighters that can defeat the new champion, and that make K1 even more interesting in 2011!!

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 04:25

i m looking forward to have Hari and Gerges in next years Final 8, I have feeling that Peter wont be fighting in tournament anymore, Mo will be out shortly too. I can imagine the smile on Badrs face.. he can win over Overeem easier than over Schilt. as he did last year. And Gerges can also show us great fighting heart, and a war in ring. I wonder about the motivation of Schilt next year.. I feel it s gonna be a VERY VERY exciting WGP next year!!!

JonnieSunshine (570 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 06:18

@asfranco88 There was no round 2 KO.
Only a round 3 knock down.

Polakian (252 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 07:41

Congrats to Overeem but lets be honest he had an easier road then the other favs to win it..Peter beat Sem but emptied the tank in doing so and had a bad cut leading into the final...Ghita absolutely punished Saki and was winning the fight until he fatigued and Saki out hustled him..but a fresher and unhurt Saki should beat Overeem and I absolutely think Ghita will defeat Overeem fresh if they are matched up. But Overeem did what he had to do and you cant take that away from him. I am excited for next year! I think it really makes things interesting. More then likely next year he wont repeat and one of Sem, Ghita, Saki, Gerges or Hari will be crowned and proven to be the best.

torazulu (579 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-11 at: 08:13

I think that Overeem is done with K1 for the time being.He needed this title, and he got it.I suspect he will become DREAM HW champion on NYE , and in the future he will get more money for one fight than he did for winning the WGP.
As for K1, there will be war among standard mainstays like Schilt and Hari and powerful newcomers like Ghita and Gerges.Zimmerman disappointed , but he is still young, and Jaideep looked lethal for the first time.Oh, someone still forgetting Aerts?Saki and Spong?
And some new blood will emerge for sure...
Lets just hope that FEG will recuperate, and that K1 will continue to exist...

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 01:00

@torazulu Hmm good point about Overeem. His heart is with MMA, so he can take this title and walk away now. All though he has obligations to fight in the Final 16 now..so eventually he might be dethroned. But hey, he got what he wanted...now let`s get that fight with Fedor :P

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Canuck (257 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 01:50

I expect Overeem back in K1 in October. I have to question the money though. 460,000 USD is less than a main event UFC title fight, they go for around 500,000 plus sponsorship.

I dont see DREAM or Strikeforce offering that much per fight as they are much smaller than UFC.

As for K-1, I think that it is an exciting time. I think 2011 will see interest pick up. Schilt is dethroned, Aerts is revitalized and young talent like Saki and Spong are showing a lot of promise.

It will be interesting to see if Its Showtime and K-1 will actually fight over European markets. I know they have an agreement, but with IS planning to expand and K-1 needing to expand...maybe they will grow cold toward each other.

I wanna see more kickboxing in North America, thats for sure. I am tired of the only combat sport being televised looking like two men copulating.

jdl (220 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 05:52

I hope K1 will get the funding it needs to survive and go back to the level that we have come to expect from K1 (I am talking about the production value of the shows, not about the quality of the fights, which is still as high as ever). The show, however, seemed more scaled down than the previous WGPs.

For sure, there is a great potential for a very exciting year ahead for K1: Hari is coming back, probably hungry to prove he is back in top form and to claim his first WGP title; Gerges looks like a hungry and dangerous fighter who can make big waves in 2011; Spong looks like he can be a real threat to any K1 HW now, and Saki will also be a force to be reckoned with. I see a lot of good match-ups in 2011, and think that, as powerful as he is, Overeem will have a hard time repeating as champion against all the challengers that will come at him in next years WGP.

davcol (311 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 06:06

will there even be a wgp next year ? i hope so but it dosent look good from what ive read elsewhere.

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 11:56

well, if there wont be a WGP then we have to make it havent we ? :D

xyz (306 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 12:30

Thinking about a world with only MMA beeing big in the media - oh man, this would be so boring - because for me it got less style, elegance and honour.
Showing the kids ground and pound is the wrong way of beeing an adult model - somebody who´s always lying on the ground has to be saved...

Rishi (997 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 03:10

Wel To be honest i dont see Remy i dont see Semmy And i Dont See BADR
taking away the beld from allistair that easy

befor you start with hari Defeated overeem In theire second match
keep in mind that hari suprised overeem with a melle of punches and won that fight
I dont think overeem wil Let hari suprise him like that anymore he is to much of a stratigic fighter he know now that badr is a Explosive fighter But he also knows if he keeps his distance and punches in the right moments he can ko badr easy like the first fight He ko,ed badr easy that fight simply by stepping away and using his power on the right time ,badr likes to suprise oponents or Overwalk them with a melle of punches
like a dog on rabies.
Overeem is to smart to fall for that agian Look against spong Spiong was winning the fight untilll the second round ,why cus overeem used his power in the right way he kept his posure waited for the opening and punches tru it
wel badr leaves a LOTTTTT of open gaps in his defence for The reem to take
of course Overeem Got his weak points Sumtimes he is Slow sumtimes his reaction time looks slow and sumtimes his nature takes over you can see that he wants to grap people and push them into his knees its not clinching but you can see it as clinchin with clinchin you grap a hold or your oponent and you will knee him in the face or on the body Whatr overeem dus is Push you into his knees theire is a slight difference between the two ,

Overeem Can be beaten but it wil take a smart fighter Not a guy who loves to rumble and just throws a lott of punches with out keepin his defence Good
cus overeem is to smart for that he showed that in this k1 finals that he is more than a single match fighter he showed that he knows when to use his power and he showed that he knows when to use his technical skills of course badr could suprise him again
But noo Overeem knows badrs way of fighting now Remy simply is Not the same remy anymore dus not have the same heart as he did when he was in his prime time
semmy always goth his lengt advantge but i think his Time of dominatin the k1 is over now to ,just like semmy Allistair could hold on on the beld for a long time why A lott of power lott of skills and a lott of heart , the only thing im curios about is if the pressure of being strikeforce cham k1 champ ,cus now hee needs to defend a k1 beld a Strikeforce beld And whats next a dream beld ,so im realy curioss one thing is sure
if he keeps motivated for k1 he can be a long time champ just like semmy
overeem has got sumthing thats hard to beat and that is his almost on human strengt
and ability to over power some one you can have all the skills you want you can have all the technical skils people can wish for You can have a heart as a lion You can be A guy who loves to rumble and trow punches and you can take a lott of pain, But Still when sumbody is physicaly stronger than you he wil always have a advantge
you need to have a lott of luck to win from sumbody with that much power
its not like on the streets that you can fight dirty or do things like eye couchin or eye stabbing or things like that no In the ring in the kickbox ring you have gloves on
and you can kick punch and knee So its logical that sumbody with a lott of power and a lott of technical skills wil win from sumbody with lesser strenght and power Wel To be honest i dont see Remy i dont see Semmy And i Dont See BADR -br-taking away the beld from allistair that easy -br--br-befor you start with hari Defeated overeem In theire second match -br-keep in mind that hari suprised overeem with a melle of punches and won that fight -br-I dont think overeem wil Let hari suprise him like that anymore he is to much of a stratigic fighter he know now that badr is a Explosive fighter But he also knows if he keeps his distance and punches in the right moments he can ko badr easy like the first fight He ko,ed badr easy that fight simply by stepping away and using his power on the right time ,badr likes to suprise oponents or Overwalk them with a melle of punches -br-like a dog on rabies.-br-Overeem is to smart to fall for that agian Look against spong Spiong was winning the fight untilll the second round ,why cus overeem used his power in the right way he kept his posure waited for the opening and punches tru it -br-wel badr leaves a LOTTTTT of open gaps in his defence for The reem to take -br-of course Overeem Got his weak points Sumtimes he is Slow sumtimes his reaction time looks slow and sumtimes his nature takes over you can see that he wants to grap people and push them into his knees its not clinching but you can see it as clinchin with clinchin you grap a hold or your oponent and you will knee him in the face or on the body Whatr overeem dus is Push you into his knees theire is a slight difference between the two , -br--br-Overeem Can be beaten but it wil take a smart fighter Not a guy who loves to rumble and just throws a lott of punches with out keepin his defence Good-br-cus overeem is to smart for that he showed that in this k1 finals that he is more than a single match fighter he showed that he knows when to use his power and he showed that he knows when to use his technical skills of course badr could suprise him again -br-But noo Overeem knows badrs way of fighting now Remy simply is Not the same remy anymore dus not have the same heart as he did when he was in his prime time-br-semmy always goth his lengt advantge but i think his Time of dominatin the k1 is over now to ,just like semmy Allistair could hold on on the beld for a long time why A lott of power lott of skills and a lott of heart , the only thing im curios about is if the pressure of being strikeforce cham k1 champ ,cus now hee needs to defend a k1 beld a Strikeforce beld And whats next a dream beld ,so im realy curioss one thing is sure -br-if he keeps motivated for k1 he can be a long time champ just like semmy -br-overeem has got sumthing thats hard to beat and that is his almost on human strengt-br-and ability to over power some one you can have all the skills you want you can have all the technical skils people can wish for You can have a heart as a lion You can be A guy who loves to rumble and trow punches and you can take a lott of pain, But Still when sumbody is physicaly stronger than you he wil always have a advantge -br-you need to have a lott of luck to win from sumbody with that much power -br-its not like on the streets that you can fight dirty or do things like eye couchin or eye stabbing or things like that no In the ring in the kickbox ring you have gloves on -br-and you can kick punch and knee So its logical that sumbody with a lott of power and a lott of technical skills wil win from sumbody with lesser strenght and power

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Canuck (257 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 04:56

@Hosinsul Well said. MMA is a goon sport. Tackle the guy with a double leg takedown, mash him against the fence, elbow him above the eyebrow and get a TKO win. Wow, you win by being a goon.

Even though I cut wrestling from my life, wrestling itself is a grand sport as mid 1990s Pancrase showed.

Kickboxing is also a grand sport with great techniques, great athletes and great displays of heart.

MMA is stale and it is a hybrid, so you cant get the best of wrestling, jujutsu or kickboxing. There are certain things in each sport that are exciting to try for or see, however, you cant do it in MMA because youll be taken down or youll leave yourself open for that ridiculous grand n pound. For example, Sakis spinning hook kicks against Overeem. You would never see that in the Octagon because the guy would be in a bad position to take punches. In K-1, it was exciting. In the old Pancrase, guys would give up their back to do fancy leg lock attempts. You cant do that in UFC because youd get punched in the sides and back of the head.

So yeah, give me pure combat sports over mixed martial arts any day.

xyz (306 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 05:43

@K-1 Canuck: That´s it - wise said, always like your predictions (Congratulations :-) MMA is a hybrid and you rarely find there those exiting spinning kicks from fighters like Saki (by the way wasn´t it wonerfull?) or in ealier years like Andy Hug did (will never forget his Axe-kick).
Let´s hope K1 is getting bigger again (also in America) and that the people will start again to expose their passion for pure combat sports.

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Canuck (257 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 08:06

@Hosinsul Thanks for the congratulations, and yes, Saki was very impressive. Those kicks were wonderful. I have been watching the old GPs on K-1s YouTube channel and Andy Hug was cool. I love the fancy strikes like the axe kick, flying knees and spinning backfists.

I would like to see Saki fight Overeem when he is 100%.

D-rop, Video editor (2348 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 08:43

I read somewhere that Saki will fight Overeem at Dynamite.
Now he will fight will both hands tied on his back ... just lowkicks, highkicks and spinning back kicks.

Lets see how he does ...

BTW, Overeem will stand on just one leg ....

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-12 at: 09:00

D-rop :D hehe would LOVE TO SEE :D anyhow i would love to see Saki vs. Overeem with both of them on 100% ..well maybe i changed my mind, would love to see a 100% Saki vs. an 50% Overeem :D maybe yes just one leg might do :D

jdl (220 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 05:22

@Rishi Overeem had a big strength advantage over Hari in their second meeting too, but it didnt help him as he still lost by TKO to Hari. Strength may compensate for a deficiency in speed and technique some of the time (like when you surprise someone with a big punch or knee), but not all the time. Thats why someone like Saki, fast and technical, can win over someone stronger than him like Ghita.

Badr can be very technical too. Look at his 2008 fight with Zimmerman. He picked Zimmerman apart with a very fast and efficient jab. He was pretty good defensively too except for the one time he got hit with the overhand right, but he came back quickly and knocked down Zimmerman twice. Earlier in his career, Hari displayed a more patient style and a great kicking game too (just watch his fight with Leko that ended with the great spinning kick to the jaw). Its just that in recent times, Hari grew much stronger, and decided to use that strength and go for a more brawling style to try and get his opponents out of there more quickly. He can easily go back to the more patient, technical style that he had in 2008 and earlier. If he does that, and he and Overeem fight, he can pick the Reem apart with his jabs and leg kicks, and eventually go for the KO once the Reem has sustained enough damage to be less dangerous with his counters. It wont be an easy fight for either man, but I predict that Hari, in his more technical mode, will beat the Reem.
{q user="Rishi"}Wel To be honest i dont see Remy i dont see Semmy And i Dont See BADR -br-taking away the beld from allistair that easy -br--br-befor you start with hari Defeated overeem In theire second match -br-keep in mind that hari suprised overeem with a melle of punches and won that fight -br-I dont think overeem wil Let hari suprise him like that anymore he is to much of a stratigic fighter he know now that badr is a Explosive fighter But he also knows if he keeps his distance and punches in the right moments he can ko badr easy like the first fight He ko,ed badr easy that fight simply by stepping away and using his power on the right time ,badr likes to suprise oponents or Overwalk them with a melle of punches -br-like a dog on rabies.-br-Overeem is to smart to fall for that agian Look against spong Spiong was winning the fight untilll the second round ,why cus overeem used his power in the right way he kept his posure waited for the opening and punches tru it -br-wel badr leaves a LOTTTTT of open gaps in his defence for The reem to take -br-of course Overeem Got his weak points Sumtimes he is Slow sumtimes his reaction time looks slow and sumtimes his nature takes over you can see that he wants to grap people and push them into his knees its not clinching but you can see it as clinchin with clinchin you grap a hold or your oponent and you will knee him in the face or on the body Whatr overeem dus is Push you into his knees theire is a slight difference between the two , -br--br-Overeem Can be beaten but it wil take a smart fighter Not a guy who loves to rumble and just throws a lott of punches with out keepin his defence Good-br-cus overeem is to smart for that he showed that in this k1 finals that he is more than a single match fighter he showed that he knows when to use his power and he showed that he knows when to use his technical skills of course badr could suprise him again -br-But noo Overeem knows badrs way of fighting now Remy simply is Not the same remy anymore dus not have the same heart as he did when he was in his prime time-br-semmy always goth his lengt advantge but i think his Time of dominatin the k1 is over now to ,just like semmy Allistair could hold on on the beld for a long time why A lott of power lott of skills and a lott of heart , the only thing im curios about is if the pressure of being strikeforce cham k1 champ ,cus now hee needs to defend a k1 beld a Strikeforce beld And whats next a dream beld ,so im realy curioss one thing is sure -br-if he keeps motivated for k1 he can be a long time champ just like semmy -br-overeem has got sumthing thats hard to beat and that is his almost on human strengt-br-and ability to over power some one you can have all the skills you want you can have all the technical skils people can wish for You can have a heart as a lion You can be A guy who loves to rumble and trow punches and you can take a lott of pain, But Still when sumbody is physicaly stronger than you he wil always have a advantge -br-you need to have a lott of luck to win from sumbody with that much power -br-its not like on the streets that you can fight dirty or do things like eye couchin or eye stabbing or things like that no In the ring in the kickbox ring you have gloves on -br-and you can kick punch and knee So its logical that sumbody with a lott of power and a lott of technical skills wil win from sumbody with lesser strenght and power {/q} Overeem had a big strength advantage over Hari in their second meeting too, but it didnt help him as he still lost by TKO to Hari. Strength may compensate for a deficiency in speed and technique some of the time (like when you surprise someone with a big punch or knee), but not all the time. Thats why someone like Saki, fast and technical, can win over someone stronger than him like Ghita.-br--br-Badr can be very technical too. Look at his 2008 fight with Zimmerman. He picked Zimmerman apart with a very fast and efficient jab. He was pretty good defensively too except for the one time he got hit with the overhand right, but he came back quickly and knocked down Zimmerman twice. Earlier in his career, Hari displayed a more patient style and a great kicking game too (just watch his fight with Leko that ended with the great spinning kick to the jaw). Its just that in recent times, Hari grew much stronger, and decided to use that strength and go for a more brawling style to try and get his opponents out of there more quickly. He can easily go back to the more patient, technical style that he had in 2008 and earlier. If he does that, and he and Overeem fight, he can pick the Reem apart with his jabs and leg kicks, and eventually go for the KO once the Reem has sustained enough damage to be less dangerous with his counters. It wont be an easy fight for either man, but I predict that Hari, in his more technical mode, will beat the Reem.-br-

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 08:42

@jdl I agree on the change of style Badr has went through. That brawl style is fun some time, but I was a fan of his technical style, because that showcased his true abilities.

mehdiman (613 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 12:17

MMA fighters have often difficulties with strikers. That s why Hari or Bonjasky can do it again and again vs Overeem.
One exception with Aerts (i mean first meet with Overeem) ; Aerts was too bit slow for Overeem and his style suits very well to the reem

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 01:54

i think wanderer had a good point when mentioning the big tactic failure most does against Overeem, which is, to stand in front of him, and to let themselves hit by him.
Well Badr had 2 technical fights too this year, against Bouzidi and the Red Scorpion both were quite great strongly tactical fights. i m looking forward to next year i wonder if he s gonna fight or not... they mentioned him before for the March event but he is not mentioned now for that event.. so maybe May.. we can never know when it s about him. I hope a stronger year next year.. this year most of it we spent waiting and waiting for something to happen.

Cdn Mongoose (1323 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 04:33

Money talks and right now the UFC is where the money is....as is the major sponsorship money.....

K-1 has no average fight fan marketing power...most people here do not even know what K-1 is. If Overeem want the money he should stay with mma. It is clearly his opportunity to grab his big piece of the pie. Other than defending the title why should he stay with an organisation that is clearly having big problems at the top. The UFC hype machine may be calling and Overeem should answer the call.

mehdiman (613 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 05:47

Yes money and glory is at UFC.
But Overeem is now a MMA and K-1 star, not many fighter (or none) are so.
and i am sure that with the UFC HW, like Velasquez or Mir (or even brazilian fighters), overeem is in big big trouble.

burim (401 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 10:06

@mehdiman The Demolition Man in trouble with Mir, Lol, are you serious ? The Reem is The best heavyweight mixed martial artist walking on earth, f@k the overrated UFC jokes

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 10:20

heyyy Burim nice to see you back ! :)

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 10:26

I dont remember if he ever got the chance to fight any of the big names in the UFC. As they cant fight out of UFC ( not too nice but everything has it s price :)) i can see, he didnt fight with Werdum, Mir, or any of the other top UFC fighter. I dont like UFC, but those brazilians are hard as nail.. he couldnt even fight Fedor yet who is definitely the best in the world.. so he can say this and that, but he knows also, for him it s a LOT easier now in Europe and in Japan, then to be sold and be successful in the US market. IMO of course

torazulu (579 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 11:37

As he always pointed out, Alistair is ready for the UFC.The only question is , will Dana let him make a joke of his HW hyped up guys like Brock?
Or will he wait some five years for Alistar to deteriorate, and then humiliate him like Gilbert Yvel?
Imagine what it would look like, Overeem kicking everybodys butt in the UFC?And he is not a collegiate wrestler?But IIl surely hope he gets there...

davcol (311 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-13 at: 11:54

let him fight someone who is his own size and lets see what happens. in my opinion overeem is a vulnerable fighter because of his chin but when facing smaller men its not as much of an issue.

Cdn Mongoose (1323 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 02:52

wow mma fighters are thugs? Hmmm seems like the K-1 champion is an mma fighter....hmmm

mehdiman (613 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 10:53

@burim Yes, best heavyweight mixed martial... until he will fight UFC HW like Velasquez or Carwin. No doubt he will be in trouble against a Velasquez.
For Mir, he is one of the best grappler or the best actually, since Minotauro.
Also Overeem always lost against brazilian fighters.
Ok it was before and Overeem changed. UFC fighters are often the top of MMA, and more often in HW category
But Burim, tell me if i am wrong, you change your opinion about the REEM ?

burim (401 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 11:58

@szanpan thank you szanpan.. :D

burim (401 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 11:59

@mehdiman I was being a little bit sarcastic. I know that if we look at records, we won`t have him even at top 5, but my own opinion is: He beats everybody in the UFC and by beating i mean BRUTALLY knocking them out. Just my opinion...
Although i would like to see a Velasquez vs Overeem superfight in UFC, to just prove that he is the best, what i would love to see from the K-1 champion is to defend his K-1 title against the best kickboxers in the world.

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Canuck (257 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 02:37

I think there is an element we are forgetting in talking Overeem going to the UFC. Yes, we can say the bigger money is in the UFC, but Overeem already knows this. Wasnt it back in Oct before the Final 16 that Reem did an interview in which he said he would rather fight for less money knowing it meant he could fight in Japan?

When you sign an UFC contract Dana owns your butt. Overeem wants to fight in Japan, if he signs with UFC, he wont be allowed to. Dana will have him on a short leash as Dana is the Vince McMahon of the martial arts world.

While the UFC would be more lucrative (obviously), Overeem I think wont sign because it will be too limiting. Right now, he can fight with Strikeforce, he can fight with DREAM, he can fight with K-1. If he wanted to he could even go to Its Showtime, Pancrase, DEEP or maybe even ZST or Shooto. Although they are smaller scale, there is a world of opportunity out there and the UFC is stale, it would be too limiting. How many guys are in the UFC HW division? 5? 6?

Dana has an agenda, he wants to humiliate every former PRIDE fighter or anyone with any association with PRIDE. He wont want Overeem being a Strikeforce champ and PRIDE veteran to come in and dominate so he would do his best to pull strings to UFC fighters advantage.

jdl (220 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 06:41

@burim I agree with Burim. Overeem would dominate most of the UFC HW fighters. Brock Lesnar was hurt by a couple of knees from Mir, so imagine what a couple of Uberknees would do to him. Mir may have the BJJ advantage, but I dont think he will be able to get the Reem to the ground before being KTFOed.

The only guys I would say can pose some problems for Overeem would be Velasquez and Dos Santos (the latter has only a slim punchers chance).

Overeems real MMA challenge is outside of the UFC: Fedor.

Polakian (252 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 07:02

@K1 Canuck Good points and I agree with most except for the statement that Dana White wants to humiliate all former Pride fighters, I see no evidence of that, they have done that quite well on there own. Considering the UFC purchased Pride several years ago now I dont see how it would be to there benefit to have them not be successful.

In regards to Overeem, I think if you compare his earnings on a yearly basis with a UFC contract and being open and working for multiple orginazations, I think it could be very close because the UFC limits how many times he can fight and probably to some extent controls his marketing opportunites.

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 09:04

tell me why is good for Dana White to limit his fighters to fight only for him? i mean i think for marketing reasons wouldnt it be better if they would be allowed to fight elsewhere too to raise their practice and fame?

Cdn Mongoose (1323 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-14 at: 10:58

At one time Don King promoted 8 of the top ten heavyweights in boxing.

If you want to fight in the UFC you sign an exclusive deal. The reason is that the UFC controls when, where and who you fight. A fighter who has signed with another organization who loses a fight has less value..eg..Dan Henderson losing his first fight to Jake Shields in Strikeforce. Would Overeem be as marketable to the UFC if he had been Koed by Peter Aerts...The obvious answer is no.

The UFC run an extremely tight ship as far as marketing goes. Many fighter moan and grown but if you want to fight with the big dog you must play in his yard.

It is hard to argue with the UFCs business plan. They have grown massively and are expanding. If you compare other fight organizations during the global recession the UFC stands alone in growth. Many other fight groups have folded up and disapeared.

Perhaps if K-1 signed fighters to exclusive contracts and guaranteed an income or a number of events per year their tv ratings might not be dropping.
Overeem need to go where he can make money first and foremost. Most fighters do not have long fight careers, unlike Peter Aerts. If I promoted Alistair I would check out the UFC deal simply because of the increased exposure that the UFC provides. I am sure K-1 will be waiting should the UFC not work out.

mehdiman (613 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-16 at: 03:10

So unfortunately, they forgot Overeem at the World MMA Awards 2010
http:// www.megavideo.com/?v=VCCTBTK0

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-16 at: 05:04

@mehdim an Thnx for the link, I`m watching it as we speak :)
So far Overeem has won Best International Fighter! Guess what else he will win.
BTW kind of a mediocre applause when he was announced haha...maybe they`re all scared ;-)

mehdiman (613 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-16 at: 05:26

I rode he is still in Japan and hopes to fight in the Dynamite

szanpan (2085 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-16 at: 10:59

i saw they didnt show any fight of Overeem in his small introductory video.. Is it about hurting rights of K-1 or the rights of Dana to show K-1 in a UFC event? :) as i saw the whoe is about UFC so it s really a wonder to me that Overeem got in.. maybe it s the open up for negotiations with him ? :) ahh what an awful event!! there s no sentence which would not be part of acting..

davcol (311 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-17 at: 02:59

hope overeem does the right thing and defends his k-1 title next year.

Rishi (997 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-17 at: 04:39

Its a known Fact Dana White dus not respect mma fighters fighting in japan
I mean of course he admits that there are good mma fighters out side of the stades out side of the ufc but he always talks with a lack of respect when it comes to fighters
going to japan or comming from japan a while back he was saying allistair dus not belong in the top 10 best mma fighters he said what did allistair do to be in the top 10 nothing
to him a top 10 mma fighter is some one who is in the ufc he always talks shit about other fighters of course i understand he want to promote his organisation and not other organisations but stil you can show sum respect ,he also said allistair is welcome in the ufc but if he gets a contract he is not allowed to fight for other organisations i mean for a tallented guy like overeem its kinda taking away his bread why would you limit some body if he can acomplish so much more than just the ufc dont geth me wrong i really wanna see overeem beat guys like BROCK Quinton that mexican dude ,but time will telll
i love the ufc but hate dana,s white additude and way of talking about fighters out of his oranisation ,Exempla Gilbert yvel really disapointed ufc fans and his old fans from holland by loosin all his ufc fights ,,Maybe that means ufc aint fitt for him maybe i a other organisation he would put up better fights i mean he might of lost his fights in the ufc but he demolshed a lott of other fighters dana white is saying they where all no names hats bs maybe for the stades but people like semmy shilt manhoef valetijn overeem Pedro risso and teh list goes on and on back in holland he smacked a lott of guys and believe me not all of them where bums a lott of good fighters where his victim to
but yeah at the end your last fights count and if you look at his last fights you can say the man dus not have it anymore

Rishi (997 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-17 at: 04:41

@Rishi {q user="Rishi"}Its a known Fact Dana White dus not respect mma fighters fighting in japan-br-I mean of course he admits that there are good mma fighters out side of the stades out side of the ufc but he always talks with a lack of respect when it comes to fighters -br-going to japan or comming from japan a while back he was saying allistair dus not belong in the top 10 best mma fighters he said what did allistair do to be in the top 10 nothing -br-to him a top 10 mma fighter is some one who is in the ufc he always talks shit about other fighters of course i understand he want to promote his organisation and not other organisations but stil you can show sum respect ,he also said allistair is welcome in the ufc but if he gets a contract he is not allowed to fight for other organisations i mean for a tallented guy like overeem its kinda taking away his bread why would you limit some body if he can acomplish so much more than just the ufc dont geth me wrong i really wanna see overeem beat guys like BROCK Quinton that mexican dude ,but time will telll -br-i love the ufc but hate dana,s white additude and way of talking about fighters out of his oranisation ,Exempla Gilbert yvel really disapointed ufc fans and his old fans from holland by loosin all his ufc fights ,,Maybe that means ufc aint fitt for him maybe i a other organisation he would put up better fights i mean he might of lost his fights in the ufc but he demolshed a lott of other fighters dana white is saying they where all no names hats bs maybe for the stades but people like semmy shilt manhoef valetijn overeem Pedro risso and teh list goes on and on back in holland he smacked a lott of guys and believe me not all of them where bums a lott of good fighters where his victim to -br-but yeah at the end your last fights count and if you look at his last fights you can say the man dus not have it anymore ...-br--br-How can you put a roy nelson or a brett rogers in the top 10 allistair aint good enuff -br-man thats bs allistair crushed rogers and would totally destroy a guy like roy nelson {/q}

sam (160 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-17 at: 06:50

now that BADR wasn´t in the final 8, no one could stop THE REEM. congratulations!!good thing for him;-)

Cdn Mongoose (1323 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-17 at: 10:42

It is Badrs own fault that he was not competing. I would have loved to see a...Aerts, Schilt, Reem and Hari semi final....maybe another time

torazulu (579 posts)

Posted: 2010-12-19 at: 11:24

Hey everyone!It seems that one question is going to be answered sooner than we thought!!!
It seems (according to ever-reliable HKL) that Alistair Overeem-Sammy Schilt bout is almost certain to happen at Dynamite!!!.I hope it is K1 rules bout...

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