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Badr Hari will fail in Pro-Boxing - just the same as i think....

written by Tim Burke on headkicklegend.com i know its a bit of a late stuff but i just found it but it COMPLETELY echoes my feelings too on this switching.


If you don't know by now, It's Showtime announced thatBadr Hari will be retiring from kickboxing after his January 28th, 2012 bout to pursue a pro boxing career. Ironically, his opponent in that last bout, Gokhan Saki, is also considering leaving the sport, but he wants to switch to MMA.  So Badr has one bout left if the K-1 WGP doesn't go down, then goes into boxing. It's just too bad he's not going to be a very good boxer, for a few reasons.

First off, I'm not really surprised at this. Hari is infatuated with boxing and has been for a long time. People want him to go into MMA, but he's never been that interested. On The Voice vs. Badr Hari, he couldn't even name Cain Velasquez when shown a picture of him. But he went on and on about boxing. Cool, he's going to try it out. But I'm not sure he knows what he's getting himself into when it comes to professional boxing.

First off, the sport is way more cutthroat than kickboxing (surprisingly enough), especially in the US. And it's not a sport that will let a guy walk in with little to no experience and get big fights, especially at heavyweight. Badr's already 26, almost 27. That's really late to be getting a start in the boxing game. Unless he takes a ton of fights very quickly, he's not going to work his way up. Sure there are shortcuts, like taking fights with old, faded names that need paychecks really badly. But if anyone believes he'll be fighting a Klitscho anytime soon, well...you're dreaming. Unless there's a third Klit brother in the backwaters of the Crimea that no one's heard of that's like 3-1 or something.

Another major problem is that, as David mentioned in his piece, Hari gets hit a lot in kickboxing. Yes they are very different sports, but he's never shown any sort of excellent defensive boxing. Is he going to be able to put aside his kickboxing instincts and learn defense? Honestly, I don't think he can. So you'll have a tall, rangy, light-ish heavyweight that isn't great at protecting himself. Not very promising.

Finally, Badr's got anger problems. I really hope he doesn't want to kick my ass just for writing this, and I'm just a self-important, yet oddly charming writer on the internet (@TB_Money!). He had major problems controlling his temper in kickboxing and on the street, and I don't think it will be any different in boxing. Even if he does turn out to be a high-level boxer, he's his own worst enemy and he'll likely blow it all up before he can get to the top.

Overall, while I'm a huge Badr Hari fan and I really want him to succeed in whatever sport he chooses to compete in, I just don't see it happening. Kickboxing might not be at the level it was at a few years ago, but there are more big-money matchups left for him in kickboxing than there would be in boxing, unless he makes it to the very top of the sport. I understand wanting to try new things, and kickboxing will still be there if he ever chooses to come back. But he's going to get chewed up and spit out by the monstrous ugly machine that is the North American boxing scene, and I don't want to see that happen.

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This is a short amendment made by me. As to echoe my words said in my previously written article i think Badr will be back just like a lost car in max 2 years of time... but in what condition? I do think its a bad choice. I know how much high profile boxers earn but it will take long time, long suffering too many low-profile fights... I just dont see why its Showtime didnt do anything about this, unless they have some plans to move to the US market and send Badr as an ambassador ? Or am i turning to Nick Diaz thinking about these conspiracies :D:D Anyways i know it seems a good idea to be under the Las Vegas sun yet i dont think this journey will really serve him what he hopes... but anyhow, we will see




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Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-03 at: 01:13
I find myself having similar thoughts like this piece here :)
Rishi (1256 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-03 at: 02:05
i find my self having mixed feelings about this yes i also think that going to boxing is not a wise decision of badr i think a lott of kickboxers now are days underestimate pro-boxing but lets not forget he is still a pro_athleet so you never know i,m sure that he is gonna get the best boxing coach money can by ..reading stuff like the king of marrocco wants to help him with a pro-boxing carreer .....
Of course who are we im just a fightsports fan that reads interviews and stuff
i dont know witch is true in witch context people are saying things sumtimes they put sumthing in a different context than meant for ...

The part of fans in the usa not exepting badr in the hw box division i agree on to
with all the stuff going on i dont know if american fans are realy waiting for a Moslim no offence to rule the hw boxing division but if you ask me americans like american fighters you can see it in the ufc to they just love it when a usa fighter wins from a brassilian or such ...

As for as boxing wise technically from what we have seen in his kickboxing matches
he wil get fucked up by Klitcko brothers and any TOP LEVEL HW boxer
badr punches are hard fast and he punches verry explosive but technically
He leaves big gaps in his defence and in wile punching a Good boxer can spot that and use that .. On the other hand he is tall and he still Goth that KO in his hands
People talk about him using his feet first thats true but the man has got a lott of ko,s because of his punches but no at this moment i dont see him finishing a Klitcko
he is Not ready for such a technical strong boxer but give him the proper time and
he has a little chance but as for as becomming a Real big name in the boxing game i dont know i dont really see that happening but a one time boxing match a against a Hw boxer he could win with the proper training of course
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-03 at: 04:10
It is just different. If you ever hold pads for a kickboxer and a boxer, you will know the difference.Boxers hit a lot harder, especially from a fixed stance.They bob and weave, comfortably exposing themselves to a dastardly kick or a knee, but there are no kicks and knees to come.And if a boxer is any good, there is no chance he can be knocked out silly in 15 seconds, like Kimbo did to his jorneyman.
Good boxer works his way up, seldom getting opponents he is able to outclass easily.That is why fights last for 12 rounds.Sure they can KO somebody, but it is like chess, your move, his move, your mistake, his punch, and such drastic mistakes are rare.
Overall, it is much less interesting and with less possibilities than kickboxing, but still requires a lot of hard work, so I also think Badr will be back kickboxing...
Mitko J. (1208 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-03 at: 04:19
On contrary, I think he will do just fine. He has the base, he just needs to upgrade through training and fighting. Let alone his talent, killer instinct and natural athletic physique.

About the power of his punches - I'm sure he can throw better punch than the current top boxing heavyweights.

And he definitely needs to attend some anger management group sessions.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-03 at: 09:53
Yes Mitko he is great and powerful a real real talent. BUT he will need building up, a long process which he will be willing to cut. He can be KOed slightly more easily, he loses his patience... He says he wants to take on the Klitschko brothers. They, no matter which one of them will execute him because its not going this way. I will be also somewhat curious what Gokhan Saki wants from the Klitschkos :D:D. I have seen that in the last years Badr on purpose has avoided leg kicks concentrated on his boxing skills almost ninety percent. He would need 2 years of low profile fights to build himself up. Do you think he will be patient enough to wait? He will be dealt with differently than in the Netherlands. Or will he be taken to pieces within a year counting from now? Lot more rounds, lot more patience needed.. i dont want to bet, but i think he will be back, if not in Showtime, then in K-1 it it builds up and pays fighters with great shows and moneys. Which i hope.
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-04 at: 02:17
@Mitko J.

Apart from older Klitchko and Marco Huck in Germany, I am not aware of any kickboxers that made it big in Boxing.
And they switched while they were still young.

You know how I imagine Badr`s boxing?
Round 1. He listens to his trainer, and stays somewhat cool, trying to keep the distance, and keep the pace trading jabs, with occasional cross to the body.
Round 2. Badr is yet to land what he expects, because his annoying opponent is cowardly running away, he chases, and eats a solid one-two in the process.
Round 3.Badr is still coming out strong, but , as the other guy backs away counterpunching, he throws fantastic highkick that connects and send him to the ropes, and he finishes with a knee...He turns, and says , "Screw this, I am going back to kickboxing...":P
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-04 at: 07:07
laughing
ahhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahha I LOVE YOUR COMMENT Torazulu :D:D:D yeah thats gonna happen :D:D
2wayfreak (121 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-04 at: 11:57
I´d like to see Badr vs. Wladimir Klitschko, man that would be fuckin amazing...
Mitko J. (1208 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-04 at: 05:02
@torazulu I don't think he has a problem with his intelligence, only with his temper. And the temper is fixable.

And it's not like he is going to jump in the ring without training and like his first fight is going to be against the best boxers at this time.

In his fights so far a large percent of the KOs he scored is by punch, and that has always been his primary weapon.

And ultimately, he knows that accidents like those against Remy or Gerges can ban him from boxing for life, so I'm sure he will reconsider repeating it.

Even if he can't win a boxing title, I'm sure he can get at least to the title match.

And my opinion about Badr the human being is well known, so I'm not basing this opinion of mine on some fanboyhood.
samout (261 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-05 at: 01:50
you forget that he make doug viny ko ( olympian gold medaille champion ) so what you think
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-06 at: 05:49
@samout

Exactly.But under kicboxing rules.
Rishi (1256 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-06 at: 07:29
@samout i dont wanna be a asshole but winning in the olympics is a great acomplisment but against hari that wont help you its not to be compared its like teixera in k1 he is a great karate fighter won gold in the olympics and dont geth me wrong thats a great great great sumthing winning gold on the olympics but it did not help him winning in the olympics says you are a great athleet but being a great fighter is sumthing different i think not to bash olympic champs cus they are super athleets

szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-07 at: 05:23
In boxing you do it a whole different way with the enegry and cardio stuff. Badr unfortunately got too used to this technique of his that he wants opponents down too early. In boxing you just cant do this because you run out of gas and the third round you will not be able to breath with such a huge weight which is on him. He should do much much more cardio and lose some weight to be lighter and change his gameplan entirely
samout (261 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-07 at: 01:14
in i intervieu he say i can fight 100 round i have the power because i train so so hard u can t imagine what i do when i go in the ring i have to be suur that i am 100%ready so i say he is right because he is i profesional athlete in he have the power and he is motevat and with he is trainner hazim he will be the men who all the eyes in him
Aziz (339 posts)
Posted: 2011-11-08 at: 02:05
hari will succed if he learn how to fight in poxing rule and how to defend and with his new trainer he will sure make some good ko
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