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Kyshenko vs. Van Roosmalen @Fast & Furious

Belgium, Sept. 24, 2011 - Tournament Final





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Kim, Editor (1536 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 08:11
blink
OMG! Can´t believe my eyes, but it was a great fight.
D-rop, Video editor (2392 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 11:06
happy
What an outcome of this great tournament!! Incredible.
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 11:33
A Punchers Chance...great fight though.
Mitko J. (1208 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 12:17
@Hosinsul Kyshenko didn't throw his punches the way he does, but twisted his hand inwards at the moment of impact. That tells me he didn't want to hurt little Robin. He also fell after the first punch and "struggled" to get up, but he got up without any problem when the 10-count was up. That tells me an entirely other thing.
And that's what betting does to the sports.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 03:58
saywhat
@Mitko J. ....soooo the entire tournament was fixed?? Since this was the final bout.
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 06:47
@Mitko J.: I hope you aren´t right in your rating. On the other hand Kyshenko today was so dominating, he was by far the more complete fighter...
Mitko J. (1208 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 10:16
It was pretty predictable - either Souwer or Kyshenko vs Roosmalen. I'm just happy it wasn't Souwer, it would have hurt me a lot to see that warrior humiliated like that.

Dutch politicians have warned multiple times about the type of crowd that attends fight-events in Holland (Belgium is just a step away, so it virtually makes no difference if its here or there).

We all know the connections between kick-boxing and the criminal underground of Holland - Jan Plaas and his children who WERE both cops, Badr Hari and "Gwenette Forever", Hesdy, his brother and the dope, and this list could reach far.

Bottom lime - Kyshenko is not the type of fighter that loses by a first round KO to a less experienced fighter (not that Rosmalen ain't good, he is fast and imaginative, but not very powerful). Artur had no trouble getting up at all after he heard "ten". My guess is he has been given an offer he couldn't turn down.

Chahid isn't the type of person that has a great first round and then just gives up in the second, he ate much more blows in the first bout vs Roosmalen and he still finished the three rounds.

Kyshenko vs Souwer on the other side, was a masterpiece. No sticky fingers there!

Again, just compare the ways Kyshenko threw punches at Souwer and at RVR. And those fake high-kick attempts.

That's my two cents.

And that's why I don't believe IS can provide a good replacement for FEG's glorious K-1.
D-rop, Video editor (2392 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-25 at: 11:11
saywhat
@Mitko J. It is all so far-fetched ...
Mitko, Someone stole your bike? You are getting grumpier every week. If there is no Overeem to dish, you have IS to break down. And this story is very disrespectful towards Kyshenko ...

This is fighting. A good fighter can beat a better fighter sometimes.
Mitko J. (1208 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 09:21
@D-rop Would you think it takes too much to influence a poor kid from the slums of Kiev in a foreign land? Whether it'd be money or threats? The winners prize was 15K. How much do you think those who bet on RVR by first round KO won?

Dissing Overeem was for going in history as a K-1 WGP champion after beating two injured fighters, all his bragging, and his pinky. That's not acceptable by my standards. I don't know about anybody else's. But I don't give them qualifications for that.

Most important, I'm entitled to my opinion, and you can't call me names for the way I'm reasoning, just as I haven't called anyone any name here, however strongly I have felt for their opinion. If I were now to exchange that "favor" with you, I wouldn't be any better. So I won't, and I will still say what I think.

You might not be able to ban the spammers, but you can ban me, just like you did when I dissed Badr Hari three years ago, and some chick who was his fan and couldn't convince me otherwise, and had moderating rights, deleted my profile.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 10:17
tease
Call me naive, call me optimistic..but I still think this was a normal tournament with normal fights and normal outcomes. And that is how I got to enjoy a great showcase of fighting skills. Looking forward to their next event!
D-rop, Video editor (2392 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 10:39
cool
@Mitko J. I have no interest in banning you, nor ever had. Of course you can have your opinion. Normally I like hearing your opinion, eventhough I do not always agree.
I don't think I called you names. I just noticed that it seems that you are becoming a negative person. That is a shame. Nagging about Overeem, nagging about IS ... what's next?
(I am entitled to my opinion as well)
But OK, if it is your opinion that this event was fixed ... so be it.

BTW, the first prize was 50K euros
xyz (306 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 05:53
Hey people, like i always said before - i like every of your postings because this forum allows you beeing fan. Opinions are different but that´s what makes this portal so interesting. Keep on (respectfully) writing to be in lively touch/exchange for what it all brings us here - the unique and great martial arts of K1 (after watching this tournament i have to say IS rudimentally too, time will tell...).
paulallen (332 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 08:51
@mitko Lol
you have funny stories or you re workin for Hollywood's studios.
One précision ; there s no mafia in Belgium, it s called the quiet country or The country of the quiet morning. Not like our nervous neighbours... :)
paulallen (332 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 08:55
laughing
I forgot
i started fightsports cos a NL kid stoled my bike at school
asfranco88 (346 posts)
Posted: 2011-09-26 at: 09:36
For me, the KO was too strange, being honest, looking only this fight, it looks fixed, but I prefer to think it was just a good punch in the botton
k1fanboy10 (5 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-18 at: 06:22
Omg more conspiracy idiots? Lol

Mitko J is a retard and I would bet my car he is Ukrainian...His claims of a "conspiracy" are nothing more than manifestations of butthurt nationalism...I would bet my house that Mitko J is Ukrainian and he is just so shocked that his overrated butt-boy hero Kyshenko got ko'ed that he just decided to cry and whine about a fix...Truly pathetic and these are the type of moronic nationalistic fans that make the sport look bad...

Hey Mitko...let me tell you why Kyshenko lost my Ukranian friend...Because he is OVERRATED.....Hinata dropped his ass and so have others...were they all fixes aswell? Let me break it down for you.....Kyshenko cuts ALOT of weight to make 70kg....his stamina has always been shitty....he had a hard fight with Souwer and his chin has always been suspect....Roosmalen on the other hand is super aggressive....bulked up ALOT as of late and hits with pretty big power and is very fast...It is quite easy to see how Kyshenko lost....and add to the fact that Kyshenko has always been overrated and overhyped and I'm not even shocked that he lost...

As for the "Omg no way Robin just comes out of nowhere and beats Kyshenko claim" Robin is 21 years old....of course he is going to be relatively unknown when he is that young in age....Kyshenko/Petrosyan were even more unknown when they were 21 years old.

Now lets address your other moronic points

"Would you think it takes too much to influence a poor kid from the slums of Kiev in a foreign land? Whether it'd be money or threats?"

Yes because 20,000 euros is just SUCH a tempting price to take a dive..Kyshenko couldn't turn down such a great offer so he had to take a dive...Yeah lol 20,000 euros oh man thats Bill Gates cash right their...no wonder Kyshenko took a dive lol


Moronic point number 2

"It was pretty predictable - either Souwer or Kyshenko vs Roosmalen. I'm just happy it wasn't Souwer, it would have hurt me a lot to see that warrior humiliated like that."


And why would It's Showtime want a relatively unknown 21 year old beating the famous Kyshenko, Souwer and their own champion Ngimbi? That makes absolutely NO sense to anyone with a brain( through since you are nothing more than a butthurt Ukrainian who is upset that his national hero lost...this does not shock me) ...Their is ABSOLUTELY no logic in rigging it so that a relatively unknown 21 year old beats the more famous Souwer, Kyshenko and Ngimbi...no rational behind that at all...The reality is that both Ngimbi and Kyshenko are overrated and Souwer is passed his prime....Hence why Roosmalen won the tournament. If they wanted to rig it( and only a true moron would think they would want to do that) they would have rigged it for Souwer, Kyshenko or Ngimbi....not the unknown 21 year old Roosmalen

"Most important, I'm entitled to my opinion"

Not when it's retarded and clearly motivated by nationalistic crying...If Kyshenko wasn't Ukrainian like yourself you would be praising Robins win...but your letting nationalistic stupidity get in the way of rational thought.
k1fanboy10 (5 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-18 at: 06:27
@Mitko J. Lol maybe thats because A.) Roosmalen is very short and you throw punches against short fighters differently than you do taller or normal sized fighters....B.) Kyshenko was gassed from having cut weight and had lost most of his power.....C.) he wanted to quickly throw punches so he could get the hell out of their as he is not very durable and Roosmalen is very fast and aggressive.....

"That tells me he didn't want to hurt little Robin."

Robin has been ko'ed 1 time in almost 50 fights...He is WAY more durable and can take WAY more damage than fragile enormous weight cutting Kyshenko...If anything it's Kyshenko who was much more likely to be hurt...and thats what happened...Kyshenko's only chance was to win by decision by fighting smart and defensive... but he got caught and lost fair and square....Kyshenko can't brawl with someone like Roosmalen and he knew it...hence why he was throwing and moving away quickly

"the first punch and "struggled" to get up, but he got up without any problem when the 10-count was up."

LOL this is the best....Stuff like that happens all the time in the sport....Kyshenko was badly hurt and barely missed the count...then he was fine.. I can't believe you are actullay using this as evidence? LOL!!!!

But then again I guess it's dumb to expect rational thinking from someone so blindly by nationalistic pride...You are truly pathetic.
k1fanboy10 (5 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-18 at: 06:39
@Mitko J. "Bottom lime - Kyshenko is not the type of fighter that loses by a first round KO to a less experienced fighter (not that Rosmalen ain't good, he is fast and imaginative, but not very powerful). Artur had no trouble getting up at all after he heard "ten". My guess is he has been given an offer he couldn't turn down."- Mitko J

Yes he is...especially after cutting a huge amount of weight and fighting 2 previous opponents in one night...Roosmalen is definitely quite powerful and very few ever try and stand and brawl with him.....Most try to counter strike/run from him( like Kyshenko was trying to do before he got his ass laid out!!) Roosmalen is also super aggressive......he may be the most aggressive guy in the entire sport at the moment.

"Artur had no trouble getting up at all after he heard "ten".- Mitko J

Yes...he eventually recovered but could not make the count.....And this means?

"My guess is he has been given an offer he couldn't turn down."-Mitko J

My guess was that he was gassed from cutting weight and fighting 2 previous fights...and that his overrated ass got exposed....by the younger tougher more aggressive Roosmalen...If they rematch the result will be exactly the same....

I also guess that you are just an "upset" Ukrainian who is just pissed that his favorite hometown fighter lost...so your going to just ignore all the obvious facts and just cry a fix...What a pathetic loser thing to do!

"Chahid isn't the type of person that has a great first round and then just gives up in the second, he ate much more blows in the first bout vs Roosmalen and he still finished the three rounds."- Mitko J

Great first round? The first round was a draw or maybe slightly for Roosmalen...Then Chahid just got destroyed....The reason he quit after that barrage of punches is because he LOST 3 TEETH AND HAD HIS JAW BROKEN....Thats why he quit you idiot...If it had happened to him in the 1st Roosmalen fight or in the Zambidis fight he would have quit also...99.999999 percent of fighters will quit from a broken jaw and broken teeth unfortunately that's what happened to Chahid in the 2nd Roosmalen fight.

Here is the HD broadcast of the Chahid vs Roosmalen fight...You can clearly here one of the announcers( Frank Trigg) yell "Oh he's broken some teeth" at the end of the fight

From 6.53-7.00...You can clearly hear Trigg mention the broken teeth after that vicious punching combination from Robin.


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Unless of course the gamblers paid Trigg to say that!!! Yes thats what it must be...It's Showtime paid Trigg to pretend to have seen Chahid lose teeth...Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the first Roosmalen vs Chahid fight( in March 2011)...Roosmalen was the aggressor the entire time and clearly won...but he didn't break Chahids jaw or knock out his teeth and Chahid is tough so he was able to survive to a decision... but he still was on the defensive and dominated...........

In the 2nd fight...Roosmalen had bulked up in size ALOT and then he destroyed Chahid while causing him serious injuries( Broken Jaw and Teeth) that's why he quit....no conspiracy you nationalistic retard.


Kyshenko vs Souwer was nothing more than a passed his prime fighter losing to the younger fighter...Souwer would have got his ass kicked by Roosmalen aswell....Whether it was Souwer or Kyshenko who made it to the final...they both would have been overwhelmed by Roosmalens boxing and aggression.

"Again, just compare the ways Kyshenko threw punches at Souwer and at RVR. And those fake high-kick attempts."- MItko J

OMG....Please ban this moron...He is an embarrassment to the sport


"And that's why I don't believe IS can provide a good replacement for FEG's glorious K-1."- MItko J


You would have been saying the same thing had this had been K1....You would have been just as angry that your national Ukrainian hero Kyshenko lost and you would have made the same exact excuse of a fix...Pathetic.
k1fanboy10 (5 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-18 at: 06:49
Lol "hurt little Robin"


Like Kyshenko could ever hurt a tank like Robin (who can take a ton of damage)....Kyshenko's only way of winning is running away and counter/scoring points...He can't hurt Robin and he isn't strong enough to stand their toe to toe and brawl with him...Kyshenko needs tactics to beat someone like Roosmalen and he knows it...Unfortunately for him he got caught...

If anyone is doing the hurting in this matchup it will be Roosmalen...Kyshenko would only do the point fighting.


As for the Chahid would never quit argument...How do you explain Trigg saying "oh he lost teeth" after the vicious punching combination.

at 6.53 of the video
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Chahid quit because he sustained serious injuries...If he had sustained these injuries in the 1st fight with Roosmalen or the Zambidis fight he would have quit in those also...but he didn't so he kept on fighting.

And in both fights he was on the defensive against Roosmalen...fighting timid both times
D-rop, Video editor (2392 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-18 at: 09:41
@k1fanboy10: if you have a different opinion than someone else here, you can always go in the discussion, but please try to keep it respectful, and don't do any name-calling.


BTW, you just lost your car and your house....
k1fanboy10 (5 posts)
Posted: 2011-12-19 at: 08:19
@D-rop I am normally very respectful...but when I encounter such blatant stupidity it annoys the hell out of me...Call it like it is damnit! You can very well make an excuse that winning tournaments don't always mean your the best fighter( that is true on some occassions) and that Kyshenko just got caught and or gassed from the weight cut and the 3 fights in one night...You could even argue that Kyshenko would beat Robin if it was just a normal single match...

But to cry fix with absolutely ZERO evidence and then use BLATANTLY incorrect arguments that make zero sense at all to try to prove a fix is just ridiculous and shameful....Their is absolutely zero evidence that it was a fix and in fact had it been a fix they would have NEVER fixed it for a relatively unknown 21 year old Roosmalen to win...they would have fixed it so that the more well known Kyshenko or Souwer had won or even Ngimbi.

Robin had already beaten Chahid earlier in the year( March) so their is no surprise that he destroyed him again( through this time he destroyed Chahid alot worse)....Ngimbi and Direcki are extremely overrated so their is no surprise that a tank like Roosmalen blasted through Ngimbi....The only shock is Kyshenko and it's not really a shock when you think of it...He cuts a ton of weight and is not really durable...Roosmalen is young strong and aggressive...not a shock that Kyshenko got laid out.

As for Souwer...he is passed his prime and would have got killed against Roosmalen...That would have been sad to watch but he would have got hurt badly..He is passed his best days and is no longer his incredible self.

Roosmalen is the next big thing in kickboxing...He is only 21 years old and already extremely good...And his style is very crowd pleasing and exciting..The punching combination he finished Chahid with in their 2nd fight was just beastly!! Knocked 3 of his teeth out and messed his jaw up!
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