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Oh my K-1 is cancelling an event?

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FEG's Sadaharu Tanikawa made a rather ominous statement about a K-1 tournament being canceled (via gryphon) to Kamipro. This refers to the last qualifying tournament that K-1 has been known to hold, the K-1 World Grand Prix Final 16 Qualifying GP. Last year's tournament happened in Tokyo on August 11th and featured names like Melvin Manhoef, Brice Guidon, Sergeii Laschenko and Daniel Ghita. Of course, this was Daniel Ghita's coming out party in K-1, winning the tournament and taking his place in the Final 16 as well as making himself a regular in K-1 competition. 

It looks like we finally have official word that there will not be a Final 16 Qualifying GP this year. This, of course, should come as no shock to anybody as there was never a formal announcement about it happening and in order for it to take place and leave ample time for the Final 16, it would have to happen in the coming weeks. There is no way for K-1 to organize such a large scale event in Japan on such a short notice, so like I said, this is not a shock to anybody.

This also shouldn't be seen as a sign of the apocalypse, as there were three qualifying tournaments last year, one of which being the Final 16 Qualifying GP. K-1 revamped their qualifying system this year and might have overreached a bit. If you'll think back, you'll remember this graph, which tells us to expect 5 qualifying GPs, when the reality is we walked away with two. It was presumptuous on their part, as the Asia GP hit a hitch with their Korean television deal falling through and having to be renegotiated (all is fine now, but it took a while, hence the later Final 16), the Western Europe GP hit a similar hitch with Germany actually cracking down on combat sports after a UFC event and K-1 not able to find a suitable promoter to run the event for them. This leaves the Final 16 Qualifying GP to question and it seems like FEG was focused on the deal with PUJI over the past few months, as well as getting the rather unexpected -63kgs division up and running, I think it is safe to say that they pooled their money into trying to build new Japanese stars and a new division than run another heavyweight GP.

On top of this, K-1 has also been kicking around the idea to spreading out the World Grand Prix over a course of a few years, ala the World Cup. So, this leaves us with a Final 16 set-up like this so far;

Semmy Schilt
Kyotaro
Alistair Overeem*
Badr Hari
Ruslan Karaev
Ewerton Teixeira
Jerome Le Banner
Errol Zimmerman
Remy Bonjasky*
Freddy Kemayo
Ben Edwards

That is eleven fighters who have qualified. I have starred Overeem as it isn't clear if he will participate yet or not, but our money is on Alistair coming to an agreement with K-1 as long as it doesn't interfere with Strikeforce obligations. As for Remy Bonjasky, there is still no official update on him, so for now we are including him. So we have five wildcard spots available. The following have no qualified but are names that we can't imagine not being in the mix;

Peter Aerts
Daniel Ghita
Ray Sefo
Melvin Manhoef
Gokhan Saki**
Tyrone Spong
Alexey Ignashov**
Hesdy Gerges
Zabit Samedov

Gokhan Saki qualified for last year's Final 16 but was injured in August, kicking him out of the tournament until the Finals where he was in a reserve bout. Ray Sefo seems like an odd name, but Sefo has mentioned wanting one last run at the title and honestly, with a thin GP line up this year it is a perfect time to bring him back. Ignashov was kicked out of the European GP due to an injury and the man he beat, Kemayo, went on to win. I think that as a first round of the Final 16 makes perfect sense, don't you?

 

By Dave Walsh   posted on Head Kick Legend

 

 

Could this be the beginning of a problem. K-1 runs so few events a year can they really afford to cancel one. It is getting harder and harder to be a K-1 fan




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D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-10 at: 09:35
dry
K-1 (FEG) is messing up. I thought they were on the right track when they were making this YouTube-K-1-site, and some other things. But this is another mis-hit.

But anyway, I am a big FanOfK-1 and I am looking forward to the Final 16 and Final 8
FightPhilosoph
er101
(29 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 01:44
oh its nothing, be optimistic!! just look at that roster of great heavyweights that we will get to watch! there is no other sport like this, and with this much talent in one place! peace
FightPhilosoph
er101
(29 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 01:47
i say hesdy gerges spong and saki when he gets better would make the top 14 with maybe ghita and manhoef to finish this years finalists.
FightPhilosoph
er101
(29 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 01:48
and does anyone know where a site is for MAX news and updates? i cant find any and im going crazy.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 02:32
A shame :< But what it comes down to is buisness and we cant control it. We still get 2 more qualifiers though.

I hope the Asia GP will be good - and that it will be soon!
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 07:45
Wow! This is a very bad news for me.Showtime has not made an event in months , Collizion is all but dead, and to be honest footage of the Oceania GP i scarce at best, and now only event that I really look forward cancelled.I agree with Cdn Moongose it gets harder and harder to be a K1 fan.This whole year looks like a disaster for K1 and kickboxing in general.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 10:50
@torazulu There were good events so far, like the April WGP and MAX in July. Last year the final 16 was announced in august and held in September. My guess is all will be fine. FEG is in deep with fina
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 11:05
CONTINUING:
financial problems because the tournament attendance has lowered by three times since 2005 - reason: Semmys monopoly. Who would pay 100s of dollars just to go and see what he already knew would happen? Same for PPV viewers. So FEG - create a 91-kilo division and be viewed, famous and exciting again. For those who dont think like this idea - if Semmy gets matched with Kyotaro, or Ruslan, or Spong, or Edwards, or Samedov, or Manhoef - wheres the fun of it? It would be plain stupid to watch that. Just imagine yourself fighting someone a foot shorter and 30-40 kilo lighter. Even if he met Bonjasky, Sefo, Aerts, LeBanner, Zimmerman, Ghita it would be a dull fight. The only real match-up for him ATM is Badr Hari and maybe Arista, but what if they dont meet at all or meet in the finals - all that money to see one match? So, FEG, go, make a 91-kilo division, where every match can be as good as final.
FightPhilosoph
er101
(29 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 03:02
hey j mitko what a great idea! did you guys know you can send fight requests and such to the k-1 japanese site? just translate whatever you have to say into japanese and paste it on their site. they read it! the last dream event i requested karl amoussou to fight and the next day it was announced!! coincidence? i think not!! just a lil secret you all might not have known about! peace
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 05:11
@FightPhilosopher101 That would be impossible. Translate in Japanese? Or FEG accepting an idea that they have for sure already thought of but still havent implemented? I dont think its that easy.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 05:13
But hey, FightPhilosopher101, you say youve done it, do it again, maybe we will all get lucky.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 07:00
Schilt"s time is soon to be over though i think. Not that i would know, and i mean this is the exact thing that people said last year aswell. But i really think that if he meets Badr again the statistics will be 1-2 to Hari. And people should know how to beat him now, it just takes the right kind of guy. Besides Hari, Aerts (at the right weight), Gerges, Overeem should be able to seriously threaten him in exciting fights. Sefo and LeBanner can"t be counted out either.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 07:44
@Simoyin As far as Schilt is concerned, everybody is counted out, especially LeBanner and Sefo who had nothing against him, but could do just fine otherwise. Badr beat Sem by surprise, but you could see how he went the second time, and every time from now on will be like that. And Sem will be there to spoil 2-3 more WGPs for sure. And we all know its his size, and sometimes (like against Hari 2) smarts and discipline. He fought Minowaman a while back in MMA rules. Ikuhisa is half a meter shorter and 45 kilo lighter, but Sem could not submit him or KO him, even though knees and kicks were allowed on the ground and elbows too. That speaks enough of his skills. But, however unstylish or boring he is, he already made his million out of WGPs, and I dont think he will stop until he makes 2 millions, if he doesnt ruin the heavyweight division by then.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 08:12
@Mitko J. I can"t say you"re talking bull, but i think you are a little bit drastic. What about Aerts" victory two years ago, was that a surprise-win aswell? It doesn"t seem like it at all to me. He struggled his way to a victory by pure willpower and skill, and could do it again, although i admit Aerts" fights vs. Schilt will always be uncertain (not least because of the possibility of injury).

As for Sefo, he could easily break the defense of Schilt with his punching, it was evident in their second fight, and even though he did a mistake later in that fight he might"ve learned from it. And I say LeBanner did OK vs, Schilt in their thrid fight. Maybe i"m misjudging but it seemed like it could"ve gone an extra round.

Remember aswell, Ignashov also did OK against him in the GG-event. If he would"ve been more active with his kicks (it seemed to me he was affected by injuries), who knows which one had climbed out the victor in such a counter-fight. Schilt didn"t seem to ever be truly dangerous to Iggy.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 08:23
@Simoyin Right, my man, but where has Aerts gone since then, or JLB or Sefo or Ignashov? Only down (I mean in their skills (reflexes), shape and results). JLBs facial reaction when he was matched with Schilt told it all. And what about the behemoth? Getting better every other fight. I would like him to lose even more than you, but I just cant see it happening, thats all. Maybe im a little paranoid because I love the sport too much and I dont want to see it ruined, thats all, but still....
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-11 at: 08:52
happy
@Mitko J. I sincerely hope that you are right and that everything will turn out O.K. but the way things are going...By the way translating into Japanese is no big deal, just use Google translate and copy/paste.For best result translate from English because any other language will give you ridiculous results.You will get nice little cubes, that are in fact Japanese translation.Keep the text as straightforward and short as possible, (Google translate can often confuse and mention someones mother off-context) and voila.By the way, I used this trick to find Kyshenko-Hinata fight for you guys and I got tons of fights on Japanese sites but that one-no.
So, anyway lets spam those Japs with requests!I want Bernardo back!I dont care that he is retired!And Hug, I want him also ASAP!!What!?!Oh.Never mind, bring Feitosa back then!
Seriously, this is not a bad idea.Good thinking F.P.101!Lets make an experiment.Let us all write to them and ask for our members Canadian Scorp and Rico Verhoeven to get as spot in this years WGP and MAX.If we succeed this site rocks!Gone writing, cube, cube, cube....
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 12:08
I have to agree with Mitko about the Schilt dominance. I also think that Schilt will dominate K-1 for 2 or 3 more years. But, other than Mitko, I dont have a problem with that. Its not that I love Schilts style so much, but hey, he is the best. And look at his last K-1 tournament win. That was nothing less than spectacular. Maybe from now on, his fights will be more sparkling ...

I prefer him 10 times to a moron who keeps on kicking people when they are down ... Everybody is simply assuming that Hari will fight in the Finals. And he probably will. But I think he should be banned. He is a great fighter, but he has no selfcontrol, and that is dangerous for anyone who fights him.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 09:15
Hari vs. Schilt

On a normal day I prefer to watch Hari rather than Schilt. Schilt is a locomotive that goes on without any emotions. It"s not that he is a little bit more laid back than the others - he is unsensitive to a non-normal degree, and just does his mechanical fighting as if he was employed by the army or something. If he would accidently hurt someone in the ring really bad, he is the kind of guy who would probably be incredibly sorry and upset, no doubt about it, but it"s not for sure it would put the onlookers in a better mood. It"s probably because of his personal attributes and fightingstyle.

No i"m not saying he is anything like Badr Hari (who does a good job convincing people that he is an actual lunatic), clearly he is a very different kind of guy - and i don"t know him personally so i can"t claim to know how he is - but at least to me he doesn"t seem like such a huge "moral inspirational force" either, for the lack of a better term... At least to me he isn"t like Aerts, Ignashov, Cro Cop etc. Because i feel this way is part of the reason i would like someone else to win the WGP at this point. I"m not saying i must be right, it"s a subjective opinion, but it"s the way i feel about it. If that person is Hari that is fine by me as long as he doesn"t screw up.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 09:19
@Mitko J. Wait and see :)
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 02:37
Well, Badr gives goosebumps like no one else - I cant lie, even though I have expressed explicitly my opinion about Badr the person which borders hatred. About Schilt - yes D-Rop, he is the unbeatable one out there, but way too dominant for my taste, and you see, no goosebumps when he fights. So again - 91-kilo division, go FEG!

Another thing I cant help but notice is that this little crib of ours has come back from summer vacat(hibernat)ion. It has the same old tan though.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 04:22
glad
Yes, I am 100 % in favor of one extra division. Then there would be:
> The -63kg division
> The MAX division (-70kg)
> This new division (-90kg)
> The superheavyweight division
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 04:57
Cool idea. But such a new division would change the whole sport and the tournament final entierly, and push the open-weight K-1 into essentially a super-heavyweight division... It could work out really well with the new weight-class, but if it"s just because of one man"s dominance, why not wait until Schilt has played himself out and things return to normal :) Guys like Hari and Overeem aren"t giants that are impossible to beat, just very good big heavyweights.

An <80-83 kg division might work better, or am i completely wrong?
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 05:49
@Simoyin 90-kilo is best because there will be all great fighters whose size doesnt let them beat the superheavuweights - Spong, Corbett, Die Faust, Manhoef, Karaev, Poturak etc.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 06:41
@Mitko J. Hmm. I imagine Spong, Corbett, Karaev could beat superheavyweights... just not Sem Schilt. Badr Hari could be a serious problem, but many would like to see Spong vs. Hari (and Saki vs. Hari for that matter).
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 06:55
Nothing wrong with that, but 91-kilo would be a numerous league where qualifications could begin with final 32 and still have a lot of thrill and equal contenders, while in the current state things barely get hot at the WGP. Over 91 would be open-weight and same fighters could compete there too, if they wouldnt be fed up with fighting already.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 07:30
@Mitko J. Good points... maybe different views about weight-classes could have different strengths. A ~90 kg weight class would probably be very interesting. But my biggest concern is that it would differentiate the competition too much or cause too much dispersion. Though as you say the same fighters could compete at the open weight too, it is likely that they wouldn"t do that, but instead focus solely on their success in one weight-class. Right now we get one BIG final and one big champion, as its always been, and that has its appeal. Even the name "K-1" refers to the person who wins that one tournament.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 08:11
I find the MAX-division fantastic. I think there is more necessity for a new -90kg division than there was for a -63kg division. But this event -63kg of last month was great, and quite a few new fighters submerged.

So a new -90kg division will be even better.
Cdn Mongoose (1425 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-12 at: 11:04
I just want to see great fights televised live. Is that really too much to ask? FEG sucks I wish they would sell the brand to someone else who knows how to promote a product.
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 09:46
D-rop

Not sure i agree with your analogy, but yes, MAX is awesome (especially now with PETROSYAN in the roster). And the -63 kg is very interesting, i hope it will expand to include fighters from more parts of the world.
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 10:02
@D-rop schilt is a great fighter but it´s just coz he´s VERY TALL..
it´s normal that you prefer or(like)your kind of people but it doesn´t mean you can call the others "MORONS" (the guy did a mistake and he has to pay for it)
this is a "K1 FANS" comunity remember,try to not show your racist side please.TNX
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 12:05
dry
@sam I was talking about a person. I never mentioned race. I hate racism.
If you think that having no selfcontrol has something to with race, you are a racist yourself ...
fab1 (20 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 12:57
@sam WTF??
Dude, "MORON" has nothing to do with race...those kind of accusations are completely pointless and counterproductive here...
Go get yourself some glasses if you have trouble reading accurately, or even better :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_%28psych ology%29
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 02:24
@fab1 DUDE, don´t come too hard on me next time.
where i come from:"MORON" MEANS A STUPID PERSON,A DOLT,A DUNCE..etc
that´s actually an insulte i guess,and as you see the ONLY person who gets this kind of terms here is badr hari????
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 04:17
@sam You are right, the only person who gets bashed here is Badr. But guess why him and why no one else? Lets just be realistic. Remy also got his share of smash-talking when he didnt continue in 2008 - and deservedly, but its nothing to what Badr has done a lot of times now. It has nothing to do with his race. And there are people who still can not forgive him, and thats understandable, just like it is understandable that you have forgave him.
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-13 at: 06:15
@Mitko J. i am ok with you!!!
sam (167 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-14 at: 08:45
@Mitko J. you got me.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-14 at: 12:09
hi everyone summer is over very soon so i m back here with much happiness. It s very dissapointing this year with all fighting and i seriously HOPE that i will start that it will really start later on, FEG cancellation is dramatic, and i think now it s a kind of crisis in fighters world till they dont get new talents!!! there is a serious a very serious need for new talents, and FEG seems to turn back completely to it s Japanese roots, they only talk about Japanese fighters for some very very long months, and i was waiting so much for the announcement of this Final 16. I must say these times there are NO fighters really to talk about or to discuss, except Semmy ( that he is good thats all really ) and Badr ( that he is crazy which is in fact the truth but at least something to discuss :D) m sad for the others, now there is a big big wave of retirings also a huge gap between weight classes ( and i really agree on what you say about getting new weight categories ) also a huge gap between good and still-not-so-good fighters and we have a serious problems on all those few who stayed , and i must say if Badr would be out this year that will make FEG absolutely destroyed. So i really hope for the sake of this year that they can do something to bring the show back and these two guys, Overeem ( who in real not that big showman but with Badr a good matchup in talking) , Badr ( who alone now is responsible for this year s WGP of FEG IMO ) and bring that Egyptian Hesdy too, let us see what he does in a tournament. Also would be great to get some of those of last year Laschenko and Guidon and MANY MANY new faces that what FEG would seriously need. Also same goes for It s Showtime, they seem to be in crisis caused by Badr somehow all weakened now, i think and tell me i m wrong but all the european fighting world is waiting to hear news on Badr. Well lunatic or not he makes far the most the money for their events..
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-14 at: 12:31
PS: i dont think that Ighnashov will stay in fighting but if we will i really hope he will bring back his motivation becaouse he is one of the best talents.Maybe sci-fi but i would try to convince Mirko for some fights as well to bring back the Japanese audience..or maybe they need Musashi back?? FEG lost many of it s favorite faces this and last year.. and what Aerts is doing to himself I just dont understand...
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-14 at: 03:37
@szanpan Aerts is just getting too old, thats all. Not getting lazy, or stupid, or anything, just his reflexes, stamina and motivation decline. And a 91-kilo division would revive K-1 100%, WITHOUT BADR. Now Sem and Badr are as different as could be - Badr good for marketing - Semmy - bad, Badr - bad sportsman - Semmy - good. K-1 would be best without each of them. Remy retires, Arista is into MMA, Zimmerman should slim down a bit to fit the new weight class, same as Lascenko and Saki, who else is there worth watching in the heavyweights? Maybe Ghita who had nothing agains Balrak? There isnt even enough quality final 16 material anymore. And we could all predict the results of the 2009 final 8 upfront. And when the new division will be announced, a lot of fighters will go for qualifications all around the world, from simple reason that there are more middleweights than heavyweights among people in general. A lot could think they could beat Melvin or Ruslan, but not many can imagine fighting Badr or Semmy. That could be A BLAST.
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-15 at: 07:40
You forgot one Schilt vs. Overeem.
it would be a first and demolition man is in super shape right now as he demonstrated against ROGERS, even if it was in Mma rules. It might be upsetting the hierarchy?
And on the other hand, absolute logic in sport does not exist, with a fight like that, you can expect everything. Seems that he has controlled his weight for stand up fighting (compared to December 2009)
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-16 at: 08:10
Hey guys, more bad rumors to follow: Remy has had his eye surgery and opened a gym in Almere, he wont participate in any tournaments this year. Another rumor has it that Badr said to a friend of him he wont be compete this year too. I dont know if those are true, they come from a man who is "well connected with gyms in Holland". But if it is ;... (
Simoyin (344 posts)
Posted: 2010-08-17 at: 10:57
^Well Remy retiring was more or less expected, sad as it was to hear, but Badr not competing this year would be very surprising and dramatic too, considering his role/position in the K-1 world and all.
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