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Badr Hari the king without a crown

why? here are some of the reasons which caused this great talent to fall again...


He was taken too far...AGAIN and we saw it, we felt it, we knew it and I was really afraid as I would have foreseen that this is what is going to happen AGAIN.

I felt i have to write an article, this way everyone can read it, everyone can comment it, and it wont stay hided in form of a comment. This way gives more space for discussion and for telling opinions. 

Reasons:

Nr. 1: He was taken up in the clouds again, it has changed his personality again. Visit to Turkey where people welcome him as he himself would be the King of Morocco. Even the King of Morocco and moroccan high posted people start to see him as a new hope a new lucky star of Morocco.He is becoming national team member, he is becoming new hope to win an Olympic medal too much to do too much on his shoulders.  He is travelling way too much than he should during a training period and he is talking way too much before a training period. Such people talk to him who would have never known about him, if he didnt fight his way on the top. He is a young man, still so young for such kind of fame, he is still not as wise to know the consequences. He is starting to feel himself on the top of the world again. We saw it, it was the 2-3 years ago seen Badr with the bad attitute and with the changed behaviour. We knew something is wrong with him again...

 

Nr. 2: Fiat and Ferrari

There are many of us and it s all clear that it s very but very hard to find opponent for him who he wouldnt KO in the first seconds . we all knew Hesdy Gerges is not in his category, he took this fight really not too seriously, still he represented an even greater an close to perfect shape yesterday , such a fighting level only very few gifted fighters can achieve He knew he could get Gerges down in the first minute, it didnt happen maybe as he wanted. He really wanted to be that Ferrari that night. He went fullspeed and didnt step on the brakes on time? Maybe..

 

Nr 3. His ex coach 

Is the last reason maybe the presence of his ex coahc Thom Hanrick. i think Hari wanted to prove that he is really THE BEST he was taken too far by his emotions. 

Nr. 4 the will to prove prove prove that he is more than he was in talent 

which is a great thing but so stressful as his life has been these last months. He can prove of course always that he is an exceptionable fighter, but the force of body should never exceed the wiseness of mind.

consequences:

-loss of trust  

everyone can excuse once but the second time is much more difficult, especially for the promoters . It s great to have a bad boy in the arena knowing everyone wants to watch that fight but i dont think anyone wants to risk his champion to get a worse injury when fighting with him. I think they will give Badr another chance, i think he will be behaving wisely for a while again .. till when? that is the question which will always be heard then. I do not want him to lose chance to be a champion at last but i think his destiny always telling him, that it would not good for him to be a champion, he must pay a very very high price each time when he feels on the top of the world. if he would become the winner of grand prix it would be even worse. Also i hope this incident wont affect the K-1 now, i think he better concentrate on this,. 

-loss of fanbase

I was shocked to hear the crowd switching from chanting Badr to chanting Hesdy. Thats is stardom once you are up then you are down. thats also why many stars have drug and alcohol problems, thats why they might even end up in jail

-loss of the Olympicon status i think it s a clear consequence as well as the King of Morocco will be not that keen on meeting him and having him as good friend. 

-loss of the celebrity status in Turkey, In Morocco clear consequence. People might like him but not that many. The one who proved to be a great champ AND a great fighter tonight was not him but Gokhan Saki from Turkey, so many fans will switch to liking him instead

-even worse.. many failed sportsmen end up in jail, or doing illegal stuff, i PRAY that he wont follow the lifeline of these once famous people... 

Badr you are still one of the best, please mature your mind and continue to be the peoples champion, we know you are a great talent and a good guy you dont have to want to prove this on and on to us, dont make yourself stay a bad boy this way anymore, there might be one more last chance for you.. Yallah




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D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 03:50
cool
Very nice article, szanpan! Thanks for sharing your opinion. I gave 4 stars, because I liked reading it, although I didnt agree with most of it.

But I dont think its right to look for the reasons of his behaviour outside himself.
Most of the reasons for his behaviour you give are from other people and situations ...
I think everybody has a mind of their own, and you can make your own choices at every point.
Everybody (including a lot of people here on this site) were saying: he is the greatest, he has grown so much, he is so much more mature now, blablabla.
Hari decided to agree with all these people and thinks of himself as a kind of semi-god. Or at least a Ferrari.

Aziz (341 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 04:34
good article .
i think simply that hari is too stupid and child to support all that stuff
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 04:58
yes too stupid and immature to spoil this fight, his career and the mike s gym
But read again the interview of Harinck on this site
It is instructive
Balint (199 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 05:18
iteresting opinions in the article, thanks for sharing

somebody could opponate it though, with an article titled:
"The man without manners "

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 05:48
Sorry Szanpan, but I disagree with your statement here. When I read it I couldnt help but find an undertone in which you were defending Badr. And finding exterior factors that could have caused this behavior. Like Hari is the victim of his own success etc etc. Trust me, he knows the responsibility he has as a pro fighter, yet he does nothing with it.

The king without a crown?
A “king” should not act the way he did. Besides he had his shot at the crown and lost (three times thus far). So he beat Schilt once. Many have beaten Hari. Is he talented? Yes, a lot. Is he throwing it away? Yes, a whole lot!

The reasons you gave were not persuasive in my opinion.
Reason 1: “Being popular in several countries and having responsibility as a popular fighter”
Shouldnt this result in him being a more sportsmanlike fighter? So being loved and adored by all these people puts pressure on him which results in him doing stuff like this? …strange.
“ Travelling and talking during training”….uh so???

Reason 2: Not quite sure what you are saying here. Did Hari underestimate him? And thus he became frustrated once again like the Bonjasky fight? From what I saw he was doing pretty good so far. It was not like he wasnt trying to KO Hesdy. I mean what is he, a spoiled kid? If he doesnt get the KO in the first 10 secs he is gonna cry and behave like this?? Please..

Reason 3: Thom Harinck being the coach of Hesdy.
Yeah like that would such a spark. Emotions-smotions.. I aint buying it. Maybe next time he should kick Harinck if it annoys him so much.

Reason 4: He needs to prove himself.
I thought he was seen as the best ever blabla, the so-called uncrowned king. And now he needs to prove it?? Trust me, we all know how good he can be. Stressfull life? You mean a fight career like every other fighter? And again…this should lead him to do something like this? Nope!

A few things I disagree on with the consequences, but not noteworthy.

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, but I am still very upset about this whole situation. And I kind of got the impression you were looking for excuses since you like Badr so much as a fighter. Hope you understand :)
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 05:58
in any case he has deprived us of a fight that began under the most auspicious
JonnieSunshine (664 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:09
@Rob I agree with Rob.

Whatever Badr does, some people will always defend him.
Nobody should be defended after such an action.

He is a great fighter, but also a irresponsible fool for that action.
Dont make it better than it is.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:16
Im a huge fon of Badr Hari and Now after he printed again his bad boys REALITY in the mind of everbody against a B-Level fighter ( who was so near to lose by a terrific KO ), and lost everything has gained, he has to leave fighting for ever and living in exile in Seberia for a long time. He is the man who was the reason for me to discover K-1, and now he show us a huge disrespect for this sport. But why the hell did he repeated that again ? anyone still believe that Hari lost control again ? I think the real idiot is Simon Rutz, its his plan :
Rutz : " you have to lose this time !"
Hari : "I cant let someone to knock me out !"
Rutz : "By disqualification then ?"
Hari : "Ok! but i have to do something in the press conference"
Rutz : "Do anything but fighting"
Yes thats 100% true because Rutz was in a very bad situation to choose between his promotion or his fighter ! people shouldnt forget that Simon Rutz is the REAL manager of Badr Hari with daily contact between the both and after many big names declined to fight in Its Showtime he proposed to Badr to help him by giving this names another champion to challenge. Overreem himself said about Hari : Its not good to have a mangager who is also a promoter, his management are ruining his career. Anyway there is two facts NOBODY has to forget : First : No doubt Badr know he will lose with this act. So 100% he wanted to lose the fight. Second : Melvin Manhheof said we are in the same gym and IT WAS GOOD TO DO THAT .aybe someone who isnt used with this kind of politics wont believe but this can be THE FACT. Last conseil to badr hari : Join in the best management Golden Glory or Go to exile in Seberia.

PS: there is already some serious bad relationships between Arab Egypt and Berbers Maghreb s regimes cause of unsportmanships
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:34
@Melali Wow...so Simon Rutz is to blame. I should have known haha
Come on Melali. I know this is what you want to believe, but this is pretty farfetched wouldnt you say..

So Rutz wants Badr to lose and thus comes up with this plan. Okay so what if your right, then lets take a look at the motive which sets this in motion. Why would Rutz want Badr to lose in the first place?? Makes no sense! And dont say it is because Badr "always" wins and people might get bored with that. Trust me, they will not. People like Badr because of his style and his KO power, but now we want to see him lose by DQ because we are tired of him winning everything???? This is the same Hari we are talking about who lost to Bonjasky, Hari and Overeem in the last two years right?

Oh and Hesdy a B-class fighter??
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:46
@Rob No no no ! i dont mean that; its not necessary for him to be unbeaten to asking to lose.
He is not unbeaten but the most avoided fighter in k-1. Any doubt ?
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:48
@Rob Hesdey is not a B-Level fighter but for Hari he is and he was near to lose.
JonnieSunshine (664 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 06:50
@Melali The only fighters who avoided Badr are Bonjasky (because his family got threatened) and Hoost (because of age).

Everybody knows that both Aerts, Overeem and Zimmerman want revenge on Badr. Badr is too proud to take a loss on purpose and I dont understand why people make that up.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 07:02
@Melali Sorry if I misunderstood, but then I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Because people avoid him, he should lose a fight, so people will again want to fight him becasue he "lost" (by DQ).. is that what you mean?

As for Hesdy being a B-class fighter, he did pretty good against him ánd against Schilt. I do not understand how he lost the Guidon fight looking at the skills he has. Sure Hari is topnotch, but even they lose some time.
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 07:35
What a nice story ! are you serious Melali ?
I ve already heard this . I can t remember. Oh yes, the movie ... X Files
torazulu (580 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 07:46
You know what?If he was my own brother I would kick him out of my life!Acting like a spoiled brat , ruining the event just to be a star of the evening, disrespecting his opponent, and a 20000 people there.I once wrote that he is starting to behave like Prince Naseem and that I dont want him to end up like him but what the heck , he deserves it!I
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 07:52
@torazulu must relativize litlle bit no ?
and keep a cool head !
Hari is not the entire k1 or showtime only himself
stark (1143 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:07
Oh my god, I cant believe what I just read. Its not Haris fault, he is perfect, he cant do anything wrong. Maybe Santa Claus is to blame because he forgot to bring Hari a present and now he is depressed because of that. Maybe Hesdi put something in his drink because he knew that is the only way for him to get the belt. Please
And why everybody talks of him as "the best" or as "the greatest"? What he did to deserve that? He was never a champion, he never even won a qualifying tournament
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:14
@Melail
Welcome to the site Melail, spirited members are always welcome. Badr Hari attracted you to the sport - well Cikatic attracted me, and Ive been following K-1 closely since its very beginning, and if I learned something at all, thats you dont want to lose by DQ - that tells that you are either an amateur or a coward, but if he was really told to lose, its waaay easier to lose on points. Now about cowardice - Ive stated this million times before, but many here criticized me about that - Badrs deeds come from his cowardice. As his father said in an interview, hariman bada was bullied at school and thats why his dad sent him to gym to toughen him up a bit. Well he did get tough - body and fight skills, but his ability of reasoning under pressure stopped there, and he sees the school bullies in every opponent. When in his career did he have a friendly hand-shake before a fight? Never! And he has that attitude and look in his eyes as if he hates the opponent so badly, or despises them lowly.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:17
Same comment part2
How can Peter (Aerts) not have a single enemy in his nearly 20-year career and no hating fans (now that is an oxymoron), and hariman has so much of them in what - 5 years? He is not afraid of pain, or being rendered unconscious, he thinks of loss (being beaten = bullied) as the ultimate shame and humiliation and therefore hell do anything to prevent it from happening and at every cost. Now, he got the first round right, but at the end of it (just like against Remy) got a hit in the solar plexus, and round two was very hard for him for he couldnt breath properly and Hesdy was clearly getting in charge, and thats when the bullied boy arose in him, and the rest is history. Fanboys can say whatever they want - as is expected, but man, his good days are over, he reached the peak of Toubkal against Overeem and I just cant see him staying there. Yes, there were times when he was good for the sport, but those days are gone. As far as Im concerned he already went downhill to the plains.
And at szanpan, the greatest warrior among us all here, was right about - I quote - even worse.. many failed sportsmen end up in jail, or doing illegal stuff - quote closed.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:27
i ve read all opinions and thank you for all of them it makes me think even more so it s all in all nice :)
@Rob
thank you for your great opinion and i was glad to read it, it s always nice to read. Sometimes language difficulty steps in makes it more difficult to express what we want to say.I m not here to defend Badr he did what he did it was an attack on sport and sportmanslike behaviour. When i wrote King i meant the way he and many people see him or saw him in fighting world, he also told he is people s champion and he likes that way which is of course bullshit but it s like that. His behaviour of the press conference was so strange, the things he said were SO brutal no other fighter would have stand it without trying to attack him maybe not only with words, I dont even understand how Rutz could make this acceptable for himself, but there he was in the middle and smiling. That makes me thinking about what Mellali said a bit, maybe you say it s ridiculous, but Badr seemed totally in control of his decision not like when Bonjansky. He was smiling for God s sake. This means either that
-he knew what he did and he did it on purpose
-he knew what he did but didnt count the consequence which would be stupid
-or he is mentally ill and didnt know at all whats going on
so which one you vote for?
And concerning Torazulus answer yes i see he is acting much like a spoiled kid sometimes i think because he was in fact a spoiled kid :)
Being adored like half God.. we saw the effect of this previously too on Badr but now on this press conference he acted like he was back being against Peter Graham!!!!! Why was this??He acted so wise the whole last year why being back insane is better for him? I dont see this at all, seems like acting.
About being emotionable. Yes i think this is his bad side that he is the man of emotions. I wonder what will happen with the Olympic games stuff, maybe he this way decided to go to Morocco to concentrate on amateur boxing or so ?
I am sorry for him yes, i dont want to defend him of course, i just try to come to terms withi something which should never happen with any professional which doesnt happen with anyone but him. there are some people who like to destroy their good destiny.. i dont know but is bad being your own enemy this way.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:30
@stark I love your comment :D:D:D
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:35
great comment Mitko thank you for it!! And yes we have some failed sportsmen also in jail at the moment,. I didnt wish Badr this future. I hope he will stay away from fighting for the sake of his future in this case. And yessss i am SO sorry for him, great hope and personality he has just also with a Dark Side ... Anakin Badr
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:36
@D-rop thank you for the 4 stars, i still seem to have all my articles as 3 star !!! but i dont give it up i will once write a 4 star article :):):)
Shadi Ak (102 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:41
All the speculation is pointless because we will never really know what was going on in his mind as to why he did what he did. I have a bad temper and lose my cool sometimes and i do some things i shouldnt have. I wont regret it at that moment in time, but shortly after i will. Some people get mad and do stupid sh**, it happens; some may regret it afterward some may not, but as to why they got mad in the first place, the possibilities are endless.
davcol (311 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:43
its very simple in that he occasionally loses his temper for a few seconds. the consequences are dire but this is full contact fighting and these things do happen, its easy to judge but we are only human
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 10:58
well i think yes Shadi had the point is like that he has bad temper, he said he is a very emotional person in his interview in Turkey too..
davcol (311 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 11:07
i read he is to take a break from fighting and has apologised to gerges, the fans and its showtime. lets hope that he can comeback one day and be able to stay focused because the sport needs him.
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-30 at: 11:50
@Shadi Ak Shadi Ak, Im nervous and impatient too, I have a short fuse, but thats work we are talking about, profession. If you are a programmer, you dont go throwing the keyboard in your monitor every time you get a bug, if you are a waiter you dont break the plates because the chef or a guest said something you dislike, if you a construction worker you dont go breaking all the bricks because you left home arguing with your wife. We choose our jobs, and if we dont like them or are not up to them - we quit and change them. If you dont quit you get fired, and thats all there is to it. Theres a saying around here - you dont pee in the furnace where you bake you bread.
Shadi Ak (102 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:17
@Mitko J. @MitkoJ I was in now way condoning his actions, i was merely just stating that he has anger issues which were clearly evident after his first fight with Ruslan Kareav and that we dont know what pushed him to kick Hesdy. There were a few good points made but in the end it is all speculation.... Like most young fighters with an attitude, age will calm them down, and if Hari continues to fight years from now then he wont be the same as he is now. Time off may help him or it may not, we will just have to wait and see.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 07:19
@szanpan Szanpan you seem to know what Badr said at the pressconference. Where did you find this and can you tell us what it was he said?
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 07:29
Hi all, I am new in this forum and I read almost all of the comments... I find interesting many of them...

@Rob
I would appreciate your opinion on why Hari behaved the way he did...

Thanks
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 07:40
@Mitko
In principle I agree when you said:
"...If you are a programmer, you dont go throwing the keyboard in your monitor every time you get a bug..."

But I dont think this applies in this case, respectively you cant compare the two, because in the case of a fight the ratio btw the emotions and rationale is totally different than when you are bar tendering or programming...

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 08:21
@Bujar Hi Bujar and welcome to the site.

The reason why I think Badr did what he did...
I must admit I have no real idea why he did it. The only thing I can say is, he did it before, so I am less surprised. Allthough...one might say youre more suprised since we all thought he learned his lesson. Its not like I expected him to do it. Far from it, because there was no history between these two fighters. Sure the Bonjasky fight had some issues, but that doesnt make it right. And now he does stuff like this out of nowhere! So where does it end with this guy?

But what did it..? Emotions? Well yes of course emotions are often the source of our actions. And yes Badr, is an emotional person (which is a good way of saying someone has no control over them). But what caused these emotions? I believe Conan81 had a good comment about this. He said everyone expected him to finish in round 1, but he didnt. And in round two Hesdy even started exchanging with him and score solid shots. Is this enough to start kicking a downed opponent? Of course not, but it may be a reason to understand the frustration of Hari in this fight. He thinks he is the best out there and now this guy comes along and trashed his first round KO party in front of all his fans. Too bad he does not think about the consequences at that moment. A pro fighter knows exactly when to strike and when to stop. He seems to lack this mental brake.

Now I am only guessing here, but feel free to comment.

btw I wonder why he didnt say anything when he had the chance. Did he realize he was wrong and he was ashamed? Did he think there was nothing wrong with it? Was he shocked all his fans reacted the way they did?
What are your thoughts on this?
Mitko J. (1210 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 09:08
@Bujar Hi neighbour. When I was in the army I had a lot of albanian friends, and me being me, in the free time I always joined them in the park when they were testing their pelivan skills. For the others - pelivans are wrestling to the point where one gets on top of the other on the ground and the later cant get up or roll him over and that counts as a point - so no wrist manipulations or choking and absolutely no hitting. We did it almost every day - you know how it goes - two in the middle and thirty around in a cirlcle, you win some, you lose some, you get laughed at and mocked, there are emotions, the pain of a losing, but never came an incident out of it - for a whole year. That man has issues and he needs to sort them out. Or maybe change his coach who seems to approve of his behavior. And this is his job - he does nothing else but train and fight. Hesdy didnt neither insult him, or fight dirty, or not fight at all just defending, or show no respect - so no excuse for Badr this time.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 09:51
@Rob I cant believe that you dont realize yet
how much useful such a loss to Simon Rutz.

Mitko J. a loss by points is a loss,
a loss by DQ is a shame.
this is a big difference.
But Hari is really strange.
he lost all his fans with the easiest way !
hmmmm so strange,
this is why i still blaming the Rutz.
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 10:12
Thanks Rob.

I also think that the frustration is the answer, good point from Conan81. The question then is why he got frustrated, because he didnt knock him down in the 1st round or because others might have had doubts about Hari’s abilities.

Here I think comes the element which is very strong at Haris personality. the opinion of others on him. his ego, self-esteem of showing he is the best and not getting to the point where others might doubt on him.

as already said, in the 2nd round Gerges turned unexpected with some punches and that might have been what could have fueled Haris emotions up to the point where he doesnt hear nor cares for anything else. besides bringing back the thoughts of audience that he is the King. and I personally admire this -without the part of landing a kick or punch when not allowed-

I also think that this relates to the question, why he didnt say anything in the ring when he was asked to?

maybe because:
1. he felt he will be seen as weak
2. he was still on the psychological mode where apologizing at that moment would mean accepting the wrong doing - and he is stubborn enough not to admit it.

then, why he did apologize to Gerges and audience after the fight?!
1. he calmed down and realized that he was still the Favorite in the eyes of audience, no matter that Gerges landed some punches
2. he realized that not knocking him down in the 1st round would not make him less stronger or of a kick-boxing star.
3. and the most important - because he felt he let his supporters -audience- down, down in terms of overall trust on him, and I think he has such a character that he would never ever leave someone behind.

In this case I think his thoughts twisted in the ring and he felt that he would have leave the audience down by not knocking him down in the 1st ring.

I am a true fan o Hari, and not only the way he fights, but of his character as well. These attributes make him unique, in good or bad, but I dont have an answer what so ever on his wrong doing. there is not much to add as he also admits he did wrong
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 10:15
@ Mitko. Hi neighbour :)

I truly understand and agree on what you are saying. I also think he did wrong, but I was just trying to get in Haris perspective and understand why he did so. What sparked in his mind that resulted in that kick.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 11:14
@Melali Explain to me in what way Rutz benefits from this. In clear points please. Seriously, convince me.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 11:35
hi everyone again, i am happy really to read all opinions on this very strange case.
@Rob you may find the pressconference videos posted also here on this site by Burim.
i also posted it on facebook so you can watch them over there too. There is can be clearly seen the signs of breakdown on Hari i was clearly starting to worry when i saw what he was doing, what he was saying and the manner how he was saying what he said.

If you saw the whole fight with me, you should know why he didnt say he is sorry to Gerges. the answer is BECAUSE HE WAS NOT SORRY AT ALL he didnt feel any of the consequences and if you see his eyes you will see that he was not in the mental state to realise it in all. He was like a kid there, his face was telling "now you are down and you gonna stay there" thats all thats it. I dont know if it was him who wrote that letter of his staff in which he apologises. In the ring he did not feel sorry in the first 5 minutes at all. He didnt want to speak and it s better this way, otherwise we would have seen a real full contact -no fight but something else closer to butchery-

When i wrote on my point on his ex coach Thom Hanrick i did not include that his article being earnest and telling what happenned in his opinion just came out not too long ago, by then there were only rumours on what happenned. Also Hanrick gave an interview in return, what we dont know is what happenned between the two. I think Hari wanted to prove deeply that his opponent is no worth fighting him at all. he wanted him down and yes he went out of his mind that is didnt happen. In this way he is really a spoiled kid and yes, a spoiled talent as well. He lost his discipline , he lost his gameplan and yes, in this way it s sad that his coach has no control of him at all. I m sorry for this.

I m also thinking that what Rob and Mitko and others say in my opponence is not what Badr would have done , but telling instead how would he have done, how would a professional sportsman would have reacted. And yes he is not a professional sportsman this way, he is a fighter and he is a kid rather. It s not an excuse it s a fact.since the young age he is fighting hard to go on top and to stay on top, to be the best and to be to most famous. Now it was his time and he was on top. then he went straight down now. He must make his mind power a lot stronger, and i think he would need a new trainer, because i think Mike used his ability to fight using his anger in a bad way.

Badr has made the K-1 a lot more famous than it was, then he also made It s Showtime a LOT more famous than it was. He also made Morocco a lot famous than it was. He was a king without a crown he was creating his own world where HE is the best.And he was doing very well! now he crushed it and i dont think he feels sorry for it at all, he goes to recreate his own world, or to finish recreating it somewhere else or in something else or to heal his wounds. I think he wanted to take this break sometime ago. So now here is the good chance, and really let s wait what happens because such a personality as he is wont stay in the shadows for long i m sure he will come out soon with something or something else.

And yes i understand why the fighting world is angry with him now, i am also angry but more sad. He had tremendous stress on him, being such a celebrity now it will be nice for him to get away a bit. But dont forget that it s his colorful and firing personality which made many to start to train, and to start liking fighting, i m sure he will be still doing great things incha Allah.
Also i dont think he will lose lot of fans, because who like him, they like him for how he is, and not only for his fights alone.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 11:43
the link for the pressconference :

http://www.fansofk1.com/article?aID=3263&Ca tegory=3

if someone didnt watch then please do so it says a lot, even before the actual fight, it also shows Badr on the egde of breakdown. I m so sorry for this really.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:29
Hi Szanpan, thnx for the link, but I was there in the front ;-)

I hope you dont take this the wrong way, but I think youre taking it a bit too far with your assumptions. We can only guess why he did what he did. But I read some things in your post which seem very farfetched and irrelevant. We should not play Freud ;-)
All this talk about his career and stress etc etc. How he should do this and not that etc etc. I like to quote a smart man here (Chris Rock :P) who said some wise words once: "Whatever happened to CRAZY?! You cant be crazy no more? Did we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?" ;-) (from 1.20: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF4YQZIsRrM )

Now you talk he should have taken some time off before...you know what he should have done? He should have controlled his so-called "colourful and firing personality".

Im tired of reading all these reasons aka excuses. It is what it is...crazy :P
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:43
i cant post :(
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:47
ok i write it down in details again i couldnt post what i have written and the copy and paste also doesnt work over here right now so i hope i can post now a bit.

so answer:
Yes Rob but you still didnt tell me what you think on what i wrote on the conference and also on why he didnt want the mike.
I know you think it s too much to guess, but i didnt say with not one word that i know, of course is guessing, im not the only one in here who has different ideas and i think it s nice to have different opinions, and of course i respect yours.
He is crazy and that what made him a big name among his talent and eventually that is what is bringing him down i am sorry for him he was a great hope and really i can only hope that he will not get into any serious trouble in his life, for what he is very capable of unfortunately and i hope he will get some rest, he will sort things out and if it doesnt work then i hope he will choose himself another profession in which he is welcomed.
He has all the skills to be a great fighter, and yes he is not a sportsman or at least not yet. then we will see anyway :)

please tell us what did Hesdy say in that post interview if you could watch it ?
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:48
wow i wrote the word "hope" a lot of times i m sorry for my less colorful English today :D
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:50
another question: i uploaded a photo also with this article of Badr, can anyone see it or it s just didnt happen the way it should have?
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 12:56
I posted that answer in another topic I believe. And no there is no photo in this article.

But all that guessing gets us nowhere...for all I care he likes wearing ladiesunderwear and his favorite panties were still in the laundry on fight night so thats why he got frustrated... dont know/dont care.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 01:18
yes i ve read it this many pages to discuss sometimes is confusing when it s about the same topic. and yes Rob i know what you mean :D but you know it comes with him and his image. the many guessings,the questions and hereby the many discussions as well, so thats the way it is.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 05:56
@Rob you know after hari lost the title many other fighters would be confidents to claim it like : Mourad Bouzidi. in the other hand you dont know what is going behind the scenes; and dont forget Alistair and Schilt also dont like to fight in It show time. So after that, they will start thinking.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 06:06
@Mitko J. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR ACTS NOT NECESSARY YOUR MIND.
its good to change your mind also but not necessary. Just if you act like a matured then your are so.Thats the case of Badr who really changed a lot after the DQ against Remy, just superficially not internally but that doesnt mean he is evil-minded like many think he is just so emotional and no body gonna take that away from him. And when you said "loss by points best than loss by DQ" true but not for Hari. And believe me me if Hari is asked by Rutz to lose by points or by DQ, he would prefer DQ because he condsider it a way to loss not an effective loss.
Now hopefully he do something extraordinary for us to gain our respect again.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 06:12
@Rob I wont say to you why Alistair and Schilt dont want to fight in It show time.
Because Basboon dont like The Status : Promoter-Manager and after the bad experience last year.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 06:14
Melali is right ( ahh forgot to tell IN MY OPINION right Rob? :) )
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 06:14
happy
@szanpan Badr Hari is a crown without a king !
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 08:54
good Melali makes me think...
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 09:20
blink
@Melali One of the most ashtonishing opinions here.

If you really believe that Hari would lose a fight because Rutz wants that, you have absolutely NO respect for Hari. I have not much respect left for Hari, but I can never believe he would lose a fight on purpose.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 09:58
@szanpan Guess I really got to you haha
Lets sleep on it and tomorrow we will talk again ;-)
conan81 (291 posts)
Posted: 2010-05-31 at: 10:25
wow,i missed this topic.very cool comment.but i should appreciate melalis imagination.he could be one of the writers in LOST:)
Cdn Mongoose (1425 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 12:20
Badr Hari the " Clown without a Crown"
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 06:46
cool
@Melali talking from this point of view, the only reason why would Rutz ask Hari to lose is because of money. How? betting, everyone would have put money on Hari.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:32
@Bujar There is no comparaison between promotion success and management success.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:34
Everything holds his value so the thing is a king, the value is a crown.
the best fighter is a king, the championship is a crown
the best manager is a king, his fighter is a crown

Badr Hari needs a new manager right now.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:36
Rutz is a diabolic planning, this is some new details about his plan :

- Badr Hari has to sacrifice to help us by a loss in Arena.

- The DQ and only the DQ, because its technically impossible to go for a loss by points specialy for Hari who wanst iron chined.

- Badr should wait for the best opportunitie

- Even if he knock Hesdy out coldly he must stomp on his head.

- Badr Hari has to kick Hesdy very hard to assure the DQ else what we ll have to do if Hesdy stands and wants to continue ?

- The ref must look like he try to stop Hari s kick. (I dont know if the ref also is part of this plan)

- We have to show a lot of discontent like we are choked by the act.

Simon Rutz must go to the jail for ruining Hari s career.
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:37
@Melali If I understood correctly, Rutz is Haris promoter and manager. If that is the case then it sustains. Again, if it is not Rutz it could be someone else. All this within the assumption that it is done for money.
BukiLand (204 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:40
@Melali well this now became conspiracy with no real motives.the only reason and motive if there was planned DQ is MONEY, nothing else.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 08:50
@Bujar True, for MONEY everything can happen
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 09:17
@Melali conspiracy theory is anything (I want to be polite)
As said Drop it is moreover disrespectful for concerned people
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 09:21
@Cdn Mongoose a top athlete = a clown ...
Ok. If all The training, sacrifices, amazing fights all around world with FEG reduces you to this quality ...
It becomes downright ridiculous here
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 11:02
laughing
@Melali LOL, even "we" are involved in this conspiracy ....

You are very funny.
stark (1143 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 02:30
I understand if some people are Haris fans (even I once was), but sometimes when I read these posts I get the impression that some people are in love with him. This is not a joke. I really think some of you guys should think seriously about it
Cdn Mongoose (1425 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-01 at: 09:40
I dont care how good of an athlete Badr is. When he acts in a manner which I consider an insult to all those who fight professionally now or in the past I do not respect him. How many chances does this guy deserve? When will his fans hold him up to account for his actions? Blind loyalty is a bad thing.
mehdiman (636 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 09:26
He acts wrong. Yes.
But consequences that you derived are excessive
and I do not justify anything
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 06:56
wow Melali that is something you ve got the imagination man :) why would he have done that only for money? And tell me what would happen then with Hari? Why would anyone want the top fighter to fall out in such manner? To lose can happen in many ways ... it s too wild for me what you imagine ..i think it s more simple than that and by this also more weird :( i m sorry and i fear he will never be like he should be if they allow him back, i fear of a catastrophe...i m his fan but still of course we fans are not blind, at least me and many others with intelligence...
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 09:02
ok now as we know he s gonna fight in September in K-1 it gives a different aspect .. so maybe he decided to get out of it Showtime thats why they got it this way ? hmmm with the lack of Showtime official comment it s turning stranger....i wonder what will come out of this whole.. but for sure many will watch him in September !!!! wowo what a turn
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 10:59
@szanpan He wont fight in September !
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 11:05
dry
@szanpan He was clear when he said he would break fighting for a long time, that mean he wont fight in September.
there is no expected fight for Hari before September, So when he said that he mean
SEPTEMBER.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 11:06
@szanpan And as you know Mike is not reliable and not the manager of Hari.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 11:18
sad
@szanpan I written many words but nobody wants to believe my hypothesis. Maybe i need to write an article this time to show the fans "why they musnt believe what they see".
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-02 at: 11:24
@szanpan I dont think Hari does that to get out of it ShowTime because he is who ( As the Ruts said ) wanted to fight in Arena. I mean he wasnt obliged.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 05:06
i ve heard from another source too that he is to fight in September in the Final 16 , and Rutz i think more is manager of it s Showtime i dont think he has much to do with the K-1 part. I do not understand your causes fully though so please write an article and try to explain us why it would have been good for him if he previously agrees on losing that fight in such way. i m looking forward to it.
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 01:57
blushing
@szanpan How can i write an article here ?
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 03:20
Click on articles and then there should be a button visible on the right which says: create article.

Goodluck and Im looking forward to your contribution :D
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 03:54
well said Rob, so we are looking forward to your very first article Melali :)
Melali (332 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 05:20
I know the trick now, i will write the article, i have first to prepare it very well.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2010-06-03 at: 05:32
glad
@Melali good news so keep on going!
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