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K-1 vs.MMA Badr Hari vs. Alistair Overeem is the rematch possible?



K-1 vs. MMA             as example       Hari vs. Overeem

 

To start with, I 'd like to make it clear , that in my opinion there is no such thing as „which is better?"

What I do think is that there are basically two types of fighters, the standup fighter (including all types of boxing) and the ground fighters (all types of wrestling based martial arts) .

You can see the basic differences between the 2 fighting styles pretty clear. Normally , as I have experienced most fighters are standup fighters , just like Crocop for example, however he fights for the MMA for many years, his strongest advantage have always been lying in the applcation of standup fighting techniques against the ground fighters, especially his kicks, high kicks, ground technique fighters are not good kickers and also not that prepared to receive them, but neverthless  ground techniques will always remain the weaker side of Crocop, or ground fighers -such as Fedor who will always remain a ground fighter first of all.

MMA and mixed martial arts such as Ju Jitsu, Sambo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to name a few, target the application of both standup and ground techniques but all have their one feature: there are the ground techniques which dominate in any of them. 

Nowadays many federations would like to challenge K-1 fighters to try themselves in MMA, and versa, but it's always very hard to adapt an entirely different fighting style, both of them requiring different physique , different training ,even different muscles.

Most fighters just can't adapt and rather return to their normal style. There is only a few who can adapt , like Fedor one of the best examples, and Crocop in his own ways, but usually it requires long years for a fighter to be prepared to fight a different fighting style.

Badr Hari is a great standup fighter,he had only one MMA fight, one of the shortest fights ever, he was down on the ground in about 5 seconds and about 10 second later locked in, he , as a natural born standup fighter just doesnt have anything to do with ground techniques, I think I can freely say that he might never aim to go for MMA, no matter what Overeem says on about their rematch there will be no rematch.

Overeem could knock Hari not because he was stronger and because Badr was „not focused" he caught him, because he just can't handle a ground fighter, not used to them and currently can't keep his defence against them. While Overeem could watch and learn Hari's techniques , Badr did not get the same chance because of the changing the fighting styles.

But just to add, I think this was The match Badr Hari had to lose, however is my favorite fighter, because he deserved it .Point. Hope he will not talk any bad things on MMA fighters, and on MMA itself,  I can not understand it till this day why he did.

Normally only the ones can adapt well, who start to learn both fighting styles, in the same time but also separately. For example taking up a thai boxing class, AND a ju jitsu or simply a Judo class, aims for reaching the very rare case, when one is almost equally good in both of the styles.




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Daniel, Sweden reporter (2501 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-12 at: 06:43
Well written szanpan, and thanx for giving us an iside look to what you think about this matter. Is this article exclusvie on fansofk1? if it is you can post it as an exclusvie.

thanx.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-12 at: 10:00
saywhat
Thanks szanpan, interesting article.

Could you please explain the paragraph in which you talk about why Overeem could KO Hari? I'm sorry, it's not fully clear to me what you mean exactly. They didn't go to the ground, so I don't see the disadvantage of Hari in this case. But like I said, I'm not sure what is your point on this. Probably my bad ...
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-12 at: 09:31
@D-rop

Indeed, this paragraph is unclear to me as well.
You have written a very rational piece, good job. I hope you keep posting like this.
Aziz (341 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-13 at: 02:03
badr hari can defeat overeem if he use the same strategie like his fight against zemmerman.
in k1 rule
in mma rule
no chance for badr
i think his loose againt overreem le 31 decembre 2008 is because of lack of focus and he had some problems in that time.
i think in a reematch hari win
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-13 at: 01:07
@Daniel

Oh Daniel thank you so much and i'm happy you like the article I will try my best to post it as an exclusive I wish I'd known how to do so but incha Allah :D greeting from Hungary and happy to be here :)

LukacRoman (6 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-14 at: 03:04
to title of this topic: I think, that it doesn´t happened in the near future, becouse Alistair don´t want fight in K-1 becouse of his last fight against Bonjasky. I make some interview with him for our czech website:
http:/ /kulturistika.ronnie.cz/c-5502-alistair-overeem-v-k -1-uz-nikdy-zapasit-nebudu.html

When he say, that he will never fight in K-1 again, becouse he don´t like the competition, when he can win only by KO. It´s make nearly after Yokohama fight, so I think he have still "hot head", however may be it can be thought seriously. He also say, that he will not fight there even when they offer him place in final 16.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-15 at: 12:25
@D-rop

@szanpan
I'm glad you're happy with Daniel's reaction, but could you please answer my question?
Dennis, Administrator (1174 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-15 at: 09:03
Great article Szanpan. I really think that these types of self written articles are the most interesting and the type of articles that makes FansOfK1.com to something special.

Keep it comming!
Princess (123 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-16 at: 01:41
Impossible
Pablo (795 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-16 at: 06:23
Nice reading.
The main thesis seems to be: there are mainly standing fighters and ground fighters; but for a few exceptions, those two categories fall wide apart one another (altogether different technique and approach implied); Hari should stick to his forte (he's got few to do with ground game).
I fully agree.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-18 at: 11:43
Well formulated summary Pablo!
I never really understood this desire to see how stand-up fighters would do in MMA. It's a totally different game. It's a simple question of: Will the stand-up fighter be able to keep the fight standing and finish it from there or will the MMA fighter be able to take it to the ground and submit/KO him. The only exciting thing that could happen is when either of these fighters should beat the other at their own game...which is not likely in most cases.

Sure MMA consists for 50% of stand-up fighting. But its approach is not similair to K1 for instance. You have to constantly be aware of not being taken down or vice versa. And the gloves are something else to take into account. It's hard to block with such tiny and thin gloves.

Maybe it's a bad comparison, but you don't see that many soccerplayers go into American football, just because they have great kicking skills?? Just because it's a ballsport or a fighting sport and it includes similair movements does not make it the same.

Back to the question at hand: "Badr Hari vs. Alistair Overeem is the rematch possible?"
I think Overeem is fine with it either way, MMA or K1. Plus if Hari doesn't except Overeem maintains his 1-0 win. Hari on the other hand must be crazy to go into an MMA match with Overeem. And what will a K1 rematch prove? That he's a good striker? ...we already know that. Plus we expect him to win because he's a stand-up fighter. So in short...I don't see it happening any time soon.
Pablo (795 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-18 at: 02:16
I agree in full with Rob, as usual he's got the right sensible analysis
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-20 at: 10:42
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Hi D-rop please see Badr's one and only match in MMA vs. Edmund Kirsis , if Overeem had the chances of wrestling he would have finished that match in one minute i m afraid.I m a big fan of Badr but he knows nothing about the wrestling tactiques which is not bad at all, only different, also as I wrote that s why i dont understand that reaction of his on MMA. Kind regards and looking forward to your opinion.
szanpan (2088 posts)
Posted: 2009-06-20 at: 10:42
@Dennis

thank you so much Dennis and all the best for everyone in here :)

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