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Remy Bonjasky VS Badr Hari (Final)

K-1 World GP Final 2008


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Chrzan_ko, Video editor (749 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:04
Indeed it seems like a nice piece of acting by Bonjasky. On the other hand it was well deserved DSQ. Great event with shity ending... Damn :(
Janine, Holland reporter (196 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:18
Exactly my thought: Remy was acting, You could see him think: I can stand up and fight and he will probably kick my ass or I keep sitting here and see what the rev is going to say.

Non the less the DSQ was indeed deserved.
rafe (7 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:27
Terrible, dissappointing ending to a great final tournament. Badr should be deeply ashamed of himself. What anti-sportmanship he showcased there .. Discipline is in my opinion an essential part of muay thai/kickboxing, or any martial art for that matter. My respect for him is gone..
marcel (5 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:27
what a fool..no respect...still the "badboy" w'll all now he is, but this is the most interesting and weird final in years.
Daniel, Sweden reporter (2501 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:41
will we see Badr in MMA now? he has surtainly made a good opening for himself there.
Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:45
Bonjasky make me a little biy more rich now! kickbets etc
but Remy! dont play girl if it is not so... okay?
you are one of me 2 favorites. so pleas... i hope that he did hurt you alot.
other wise i will change to Badr!!!!

"I believe that you are hurt"!
Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 02:46
Yeh! Daniel have a point, that was my first reaction aswell=)
Kim, Editor (1548 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 03:29
Hari made a big mistake and Remy took an advantage of this obviously...Remy is a smart fighter and I can´t blame him for his action. Anyway I´m sure he didn´t want to win this way. I hope to see a superfight soon, once for all

Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 03:47
Kim You are the man with the idea!=)=)
Daniel, Sweden reporter (2501 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 03:54
I think that you can blame Remy for this action. He was probably fully fit to continiue to fight, but he decide to take the easy way out and robbed all of the fans on the final fight. The fight would have continiued if he would have said that he wanted to.

IMO the fight should have been stopped at once, Badr should have been disqualified imedietly cause then this situation could never have happend. IMO this now seems more like an No constest then an disqualification.
Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 03:57
About the super fight idea i mean
Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 03:59
hmm....maybe you got a point Daniel
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 04:25
I agree with your last point Daniel. Like I said in a comment in your Live-report, The judges should have made the decision.

But have I seen another fight than everybody else?? Has nobody seen the nasty kick in the face of Remy when he was down?? How can you say for sure that he can fight on, and is acting??
Ronnie (101 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 04:59
Johan my friend he sad that Remy would win on pionts anyway. because he give a count to Hari in the first round, and second Hari get a yellow card.

GOOD DAY to you all K-1 fans out there!!
Kim, Editor (1548 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 07:12
Totally agree with Daniel that the ref should stop the fight immediately due to disqualification. This was not a pretty sight even though the ref might have good intentions, but instead it made Remy look weak and Hari as a true warrior.
ihannos (108 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 08:41
The sadest end of a great tournament :( Im glad i like k1 max more. The mentality seems a bit different with those fighters in a positive way, or is it just in my head?
galeos (17 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 08:55
I don't see the reason why Remy should stand up and fight (only Rocky Balboa would act this way). This should be a DSQ from the beginning and if Remy had to act to get the obvious and right decision, I am fine with it.
Simon (12 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 09:16
Everything about badr as a fighter is amazing........except!!!! is extreme glass jaw!!!! all 3 of his opponents proved that he has a weak chin!
Simon (12 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 09:29
Also good bit of acting from remy hahaha. But i did not lose respect for him at all.... i lost respect for badr hari! he doesn't act like the champion he wants to be he acts like a challenger or less, he shows extremely bad sportsmanship and deserved what he got. The sad thing is he could have won this fight, no problem.
Dave (7 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-06 at: 11:13
I would have rather seen Remy knocked out than lay down like he did. I have until now been a fan of Remy and followed his career from when he was a poor immigrant to Holland. He has let us all down.
Dave (7 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 12:16
Further, KIA the car manufacturer which sponsors Hari, is considering withdrawal of their support for him. They have stated that his poor sportsmanship has reflected badly on their company. K1 is a spectator sport and the rules were designed to maximise the spectator's enjoyment. Hari's performance has, of course, put shame on the sport of K1.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 02:32
I have to agree with most of you.
Hari should have been disqualified from the beginning. And Bonjasky shouldn't have acted like he did. Both were wrong, but Hari is he real loser of the night. At least I can understand Bonjasky's reaction, not that I approve!
But Hari's actions are purely frustration. Anyone has the right to be frustrated, I mean Hari was well on his way to becoming the champion, but then Bonjasky downed him. Hari said he was frustrated because of his constant defence. (Pretty strange coming from a fighter who scores most of his KO's by being the counterpuncher...) But don't let the frustration take over like that...pff such a disgrace for the sport!

I haven't looked forward to the GP Final like this in years...only to have it be the biggest anticlimax ever! I would have rather had Schilt win it one more time than this childish behaviour.
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 02:38
A superfight rematch!! What an idea haha... that should cause some excitement. Wonder what that press conference would be like ;)

I can't even pick a side at this moment, since I am still disgusted by both of them.
Polakian (39 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 03:58
Good pts. by all!

IMO Remy was frustrating Badr with his great guard and the knockdown .This caused the old emotional Badr to comeback and he lost his cool in a tense situation for him with everything at stake.This is clear to me. The sad part is badr could have lost, yes but he also had a great chance to win and we will never know now. I think as fans we can be upset at both of them, but Badr especially for instigating it. Maybe he needs contoversy to keep him motivated. He clearly showed he is not ready to be champion!

However we can be upset at Remy too! He had a great chance to to solidify himself as a great champion and garner all the respect that I know he desires 4 and eliminate the doubts and lack of respect for his previous 2 titles when the level of talent was diminished. As a sportsman you would hope he would choose this over money, but he didnt! I also believe he could have continued. He through away a great chance of sth u cant buy and thats respect!

They tarnished the sport and this great event K1 WGP 2008 that forever will have an asterisk beside it. Shame on them!
Polakian (39 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 04:00
edit *through should be threw
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 02:34
I think what you say is right Polakian. If Remy would have stand up and fought on, he would earned a lot of respect by showing he has the real will to fight. But he acted (in both ways) like he always does.
Bonjasky always said that after K1 he wanted to be in the movies. Is he practicing for this already? Because if his acting doesn't approve, there are gonna be some empty seats in the movietheatres.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 06:05
Most people are all over Bonjasky, because of 'acting' and 'faking'. Nobody knows how hurt or injured he was because of the attack of Hari. If I get a stomp in the face when I'm on the ground, I think I'll stay down the rest of the day ... And if I'm sure to get $ 400000, I'll stay there for a week :=)

Fact is that Hari injured our sport! He ruined the Final. And I was looking forward to it soooo much. Up till that moment, the event was great! But then ... And he doesn't even feel sorry (read the post-fight comments).

But still, most people are blaming Bonjasky ...... I can't understand that.
joninberlin (55 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 07:25
Remy had all the right to get out of continuing the fight - he took a stomp to the head after all. He deserved a little time to recover if not the option to postpone the fight. Look at it in slow-motion, while taking the head stomp his neck snapped and his head hit the ground, quite harsh actually.
Janine, Holland reporter (196 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 11:19
Ofcourse Hari was wrong. I think people are all over Remy because we kind of expected this from Badr, I mean we call him Bad Boy for a reason!

I must say first I wasn't sure if he could continue the fight, but when I watched the fight again... believe me he could! Ofcourse it was a smart choice not to...I think Badr would have knocked him out. But if Remy would stand up and fight, today he would be the HERO of K1, even if he had lost! And Badr would be the bad guy, even if he won.

The point were I really got a nasty taste was the interview Remy gave after the fight in Dutch, he told SBS about how Badr didn't play by the rules etc etc and the smiled and laughed " Well at least I got 400.000 dollars"

Well Remy, thank you for your sportmanship! You just reached Badr's level.
And thanks to that Badr didn't look so bad after all! Badr should be happy that Remy stayed in his corner, it was the only thing that could make Badr look good after completely loosing it.
Dennis, Administrator (1174 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-07 at: 11:46
As some others has been touching earlier I think the K-1 referee is a big problem in this drama. Clearly what Hari did is enough to disqualify him, so he should have been disqualified directly. That would have eliminated all this detabe. Now K-1 got a champion that everyone looks down at because of his assumed acting.
D-rop, Video editor (2420 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-08 at: 09:35
I´m 100 % with you on this one, Dennis
Polakian (39 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-08 at: 04:16
Dennis & D-Rop im not blaming Bonjasky 4 this incident, I jsut feel that he could have continued. If that was Aerts or Sefo do u think they would have not continued? They would have got back up and demanded to fight whether a ref disqualified Hari or not. This sport is about technical fighting skills and athleticism but also about spirit and fighting will even in the face of adversity. Remy is not to blame here, and Dennis your right about the ref he should have dq'd Hari, but Remy jsut had a chance to show why he is a k1 fighter and whats it all about. Think of Peter when he fought Hoost at the last minute when Sapp didnt fight.Or when Sefo fought Hug and was badly hurt but just kept waving him on. This could have been one of those moments but Remy didnt let it happen, he took the easy way. If he was really so hurt i apologize to him but if not.....
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-09 at: 10:34
You made some good point concerning Bonjasky.
If he would ‘ve stand up and showed fighting spirit, he would have earned a great deal of respect. Even if he lost the fight, he gave Hari an eight count, so was doing well on points. Plus it would have focused more on Hari being the bad guy, instead of this scenario were both fighters made some strange choices. Now some people praise Hari for his fighting spirit, while it could have been Bonjasky.
You also thought his interview left a nasty taste. I have this with almost all his interviews on Dutch television. When these interviews are being translated and people read them, they don’t get the undertone that comes with it. Every time he’s on TV I have to get a “teiltje” ;)

I understand your opinion of the referee, but read again what the organization had to say about this. It was the GP Final, so their intention was to give a red card, but they wanted to find out whether Remy wanted to fight. It would be a shame if Remy wanted to continue, but they wouldn’t let him. So at first I didn’t understand this decision either, it should have been a red card immediately. But when they explained, it all made sense.
Janine, Holland reporter (196 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-09 at: 12:59
ht tp://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=lBn2gMYeMRY

Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-09 at: 06:06
Brrrr...that kick from Leko still gives me nightmares. I remember watching that fight and actually feeling sick myself. I don't know how much of that incident was fake or real, but it looked pretty real to me :S ...ouch!
Dennis, Administrator (1174 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-09 at: 09:47
@Rob: I sort of agree with you, but if the referees would have given the red card imideately, we would have not needed the discussion wether Remy was acting or not. And that I believe would have been better for K-1 (and Remy).
Rob, Holland reporter (1964 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-09 at: 11:30
That's true. The discussion would then be about the red card and not Remy. It would have made a lot of difference.
Personally I wonder what it would have been like if Remy lost it completely, just go fully mentally pissed after that kick haha. What would that have been like? That's a side of Remy you don't see every day. I mean he had all right to be mad. No instead he cried ;)
Dennis, Administrator (1174 posts)
Posted: 2008-12-10 at: 05:26
It's tough crying your way to 400 000$. ;-)
Anita (3 posts)
Posted: 2009-01-02 at: 08:56
Shame on Badr Hari.
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